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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RetiredNow who wrote (103485)	10/26/2011 7:33:19 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

The problem is not Obama. The problem is people like you and me. When two Democratic Senators voted along with the Republicans against Obama's jobs bill, where are the Democrats doing what the Republicans have done to heir incumbent who advocated working with the opposition. They were challenged in their primaries and they lost the primaries. And what do we do. We blame Obama. The onus is on us to ensure that we hold these two Senators accountable for voting with the Republicans. It is the same with the healthcare reforms. I am sure you are aware that close to 30 Democrats in the last House voted against the final passage of the bill. It managed to scrape through the House. Are you and I and others holding those 30 or so Democrats accountable for their vote before rushing to blame Obama for giving away a lot to the Repubs? Today he used his powers to pass the college loan relief bill. I already hear criticism that these will benefit those who took out loans some 10 years ago and not those who tool them some 4 years or less. Isn't something better than nothing. Don't you want to give relief to those who have had a longer period to repay than those who just took them out. So we need to stop this crap my friend. You seem to have fallen into t he trap of the right wing propaganda. koan was in your boat earlier. And I am sure he soon realized what the alternative is and he quickly turned around and said that the gains we have acquired with Obama in office, however little, cannot be lost with a Romney or Perry or Cain. do you really want to go back to the Bush days is what you need to answer first before raising a accusing finger on O. We all recognize he is not where we expected him to be. But we are happy that he is where he is and is not at where we do not want him be which is to the extreme right. But hey, continue with your contrarian view and provide the spice to this thread along with folks like tonto, steve harris etc. It is being done in a dignified way, and that is all that matters to me is that the attacks are not personal. Notice though that it is OK to be angry at our electeds including Obama because they have volunteered to be in our line of fire.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (103485)	10/26/2011 8:29:48 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 149317

<<I honestly thought Obama was going to be the same way. I thought he was going to engage in a Manhattan Project on renewable energy, but he went timid on that. I thought he was going to be with the common man and get tough on derivatives regulation and prosecution of the banking criminals, but he turned out to be a panderer to Wall Street interests instead. He's gone soft in so many places, that I find him indistinguishable from the GOP in those places. Even his healthcare plan gave up too much to the GOP. Sheesh.>> We all thought that. My best guess is that he was just too green and thought he could get everyone to agree on things if he had the perfect solution. He didn't seem to realize the Republicans and wall Street were out to skin him alive and us with him. He campaigned as a reconstuctionist (which is what was needed), but governed as a technocrat.