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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (103718)	10/31/2011 7:41:57 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 149317

Why I keep using the word liberal: We liberals have let the right wing marginalize us as radicals. Our philosophy isn't radical. It is smart and humane. We are generally secular humanist's. That is why most scientist's call themselves liberal. The right wing belief system is based on myth and primitive script, so it often has little basis in fact or reason e.g. their general disbelief in evolution. Libertarians have little understanding of the role of government and moderates just seem confused to me. Liberal's belief system as mentioned, is based on facts and reason, so generally we agree and can defend our positions better than anyone. Libertarians, conservatives and moderates can seldom defend their positions against liberals because they do not have a sound philosophy, all we have to do is quote facts and reason. As I always told my kids: "you want to win an argument just be on the right side." Liberals are in general agreement on most things. We argue very little with each other. Heck I can list the basic tenants of a liberal philosophy and most liberals will agree. The reason I use the word so much is that the right wing has tried to vilify the word, and liberal democrats have a sound philosophy of how a society should be organized, IMO. And the country would do well to start looking for liberal candidates to vote for. Liberalism, by and large, is a very definite philosophy and the only one which can save this country because facts and reason don't usually change and that is the currency liberal's deal in.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (103718)	11/1/2011 10:31:41 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

<< I have never considered labor unions, stopping oil drilling, warming of the atmosphere as liberal issues even though some of the advocates of these issues have projected it that way." Chinu, it was the conservatives and the pubs that started taking the unions apart in 1980. Liberals and dems have always supported unions. For 50 years the pubs have been for the rich and corporations and the liberals and dems for the poor and unions. Why even the dixiecrats were dems until th e1964 civil rights act. That is our history.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (103718)	11/1/2011 11:28:54 PM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

As to liberalism and economic issues personally I hate the term 'redistribution of wealth' as it plays into right winger hands of manipulating the airwaves and confusing the sheep. Maybe concentration of too much wealth in too few hands or record wealth inequality that needs to be adjusted to the old days when we had a prosperous middle class. Measuring sticks would include CEO pay to average worker pay and concentration of wealth in the top 1%. According to that definition this country probably had it's peak of somewhere between when union membership levels were at their highest around 1950 to when we went off the gold standard in the early 1970s'.