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To: KyrosL who wrote (175029)	10/31/2011 9:45:39 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 541374

That is generally right wing jargon. Yes people take advantage of programs, but we don't really know how to deal with a lot of this stuff and we must error on the side of helping people. We can't leave some 85 year old arthritic women to die of poverty. All of this social planning is pretty new to the human species. But I can guarantee you there are no answers on the right! To be honest, the more we educate people the less social problems we will have. Education will solve the majority of the social problems and much of the rest is figuring out new social thoeories and then there is the human condition. Nothing we can do about the human condition. It is the X variable. <<When it comes to economics, some liberal ideas are every bit as destructive as some right wing ideas. For example, some Great Society programs to help the poor have resulted in the virtual disintegration of poor families and brought about terrible suffering to the people they were supposed to help. The liberal mentality of throwing money at social problems have many times terrible unintended consequences. And liberals are just as stubborn as right wingers in refusing to acknowledge fault in some of their ideas, even after overwhelming evidence -- much like global warming deniers.

To: KyrosL who wrote (175029)	11/1/2011 3:14:16 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541374

"For example, some Great Society programs to help the poor have resulted in the virtual disintegration of poor families and brought about terrible suffering to the people they were supposed to help. The liberal mentality of throwing money at social problems have many times terrible unintended consequences. " I agree with this. My first maintenance job was working on public housing (the "projects"). In some of the units, they were on their third generation of public housing dwellers, each generation teaching the next how to score the living units, welfare, food stamps, etc. The men couldn't live with the women - in order to get the housing and all the benefits, the women had to have several kids with no husband. Each child was another check.. These largely were people who could have worked, but chose not to, or had never learned how to get along in life by working. They had learned how to game the system. This isn't happening anymore, since Clinton and the (R)'s ended "welfare as we know it".