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To: Jeff Jordan who wrote (418744)	11/3/2011 3:20:30 PM
From: Rarebird	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

You have absolutely no balance or discipline. Didn't you apologize to everyone and tell them you wouldn't be making any more posts? Message 27743869 What happened? Lost control, as usual, like your cheap faith. You must be schizophrenic too? You don't understand the first thing about Socrates. Any one can parrot "know thyself". But do you know what that means? I think not. Because if you did, you'd realize that from the standpoint of Socratic thought, every point of departure in time is accidental, an occasion, a vanishing point. In the Socratic view, each individual is his own center? Do you know what that means Jesus Boy? The entire Socratic world centers around the individual because self-knowledge is a knowledge of God. Jesus Christ is superfluous in the Socratic world? Do you know why? Because the Truth in which I rest was within me (and each individual) and came to light within myself. Jesus, Buddha, all your mythical Gods or fairy tales, are irrelevant in the Socratic world because the underlying principle of all questioning is that the one who is asked must have the Truth in himself and be able to acquire it by himself. Do you know what that means, Jesus Boy? I think not. I repeat: Jesus is irrelevant in the Socratic world as a dispenser of Truth. The temporal point of departure is nothing in the Socratic World; for as soon as I discover that I have known the Truth from eternity without being aware of it, the same instant this moment of occasion is hidden in the Eternal and so incorporated with it that I cannot even find it so to speak, even if I sought it; because in my eternal consciousness there is neither here nor there.....The fact that you continue to babble about Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu, etc; as if they are something important in the Socratic Universe, shows that you know squat about Socrates and are just a babbling parrot who is just a run of the mill Jesus freak who doesn't have the slightest understanding of Socrates. I'm off to work.

To: Jeff Jordan who wrote (418744)	11/4/2011 8:57:38 AM
From: Rarebird	Respond to of 436258

Just because you are reading philosophy doesn't mean you understand what you are reading. In your case, that is crystal clear because you read with a heavy Christian/religious bias. A person who is ignorant needs only a reminder to help him come to himself in the consciousness of what he knows. All learning and inquiry is interpreted by Socrates as a kind of remembering. Socrates thinks through the difficulty you cannot get through in the doctrine of Recollection in the Meno. Thus, the Truth is not introduced into the individual from without (Christianity), but was always within him (Socratic World). Every human being is in possession of the Truth in the Socratic World. If you want the moment to have decisive significance, the seeker must be destitute of the Truth up to the very moment of learning it; he cannot even have possessed it in the form of ignorance, for in that case the moment becomes merely occasional. Now we are entering the world of Christianity. <<.Now you are judging Buddha?>> Message 27743869 And why should I not judge Buddha? Because he is such a religious holy man that he is beyond criticism?