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To: John Vosilla who wrote (175304)	11/4/2011 10:32:16 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541299

That concern is secondary or off the table to a liberal. Your argument is that of a fiscal conservative.

To: John Vosilla who wrote (175304)	11/4/2011 1:14:59 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541299

<<But one thing always bothers me is liberalism tends to make costs of everything, especially housing, go through the roof so becomes >> John, you are sort of new here, but we liberals hear that a lot (I.e. liberals cause costs to rise), but the facts show a different story and we have all posted the chart at one time or another. I have it memorized, so here it is in a nutshell. Before Carter we owed less than a trillion. Carter deficits 50 billion a year Raygun: 250 billion a year Bush senior: 250 billion a year Clinton: not much at all and last four years of surpluses little bush: 5 trillion

To: John Vosilla who wrote (175304)	11/4/2011 1:53:53 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541299

Let me ask you this question: What is the positive underlying philosophy of the Republican party which you feel your Republican friends find has merit? I am really curious, as I never found anything but air.

To: John Vosilla who wrote (175304)	11/5/2011 11:04:40 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541299

>> But one thing always bothers me is liberalism tends to make costs of everything, especially housing, go through the roof so becomes next to impossible for the next generation to live as modestly as hippies did.<< Yes, it was the rampant liberalism of the Bush Administration that caused the housing bubble, the unregulated derivatives market, and the low capital reserve requirements/high leverage that caused so many banks and other institutions to get in trouble. Now that we've all had a good laugh at the above, the real reason the present generation's prospects are are so dim is that wealth and income growth continues to migrate toward the richest Americans, leaving a smaller and smaller pie for the middle class and poor.