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To: John who wrote (43092)	11/6/2011 8:42:48 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71456

after reading that went to put you on ignore but found you were already there my bad

To: John who wrote (43092)	11/7/2011 1:44:48 AM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 71456

Being mad at everyone serves no purpose I agree entirely. Maybe its a failing of human nature rather then a failure for given set of individuals. My forefathers were all working class, there is a long line of them working as toolmakers in the UK Birmingham area during the 19th century. i.e. they were part and parcel of the industrial revolution. As skilled workmen they would have commanded relatively good wages. They had strong survival skills, all family members were unbelievably tight with money (a common factor in the victorian age) but they did spend copious amounts of money on the perceived essentials of life alcohol and tobacco. My grandfather was an essential worker at the outbreak of WW1 but foresaw conscription coming his way and volunteered as an infantryman to a regiment officered entirely by landed gentlemen. His unit never did see front line action for some reason, and his main war experience was guarding trains in Italy. From what I have found out, and my grandfather had several brothers who were also tool makers, the family were divided about 50:50 for and against unions. On one hand the British free enterprise system failed because there were instances in England and Scotland where skilled workers were lost because they died from privation during lean times. This was very true of the wool trade, demand and supply often being out of step for years at a time.This shortage of skilled trade workers later became a problem. When demand picked up, local production was lost to foreign competitors because of the lack of skilled workers. Trade unions always did have a problem with individuals who had self interest as top priority and plain old corruption. There was also a problem with the undeclared war with management where both the workers and the managers lost out by a lack of co-operation. Germany and Japan seem to have had better experiences with trade unions then the UK. There seems to me to be a good argument to have an intelligent social security network, and also a broad organization of people to ensure that crimes against humanity do not pay. The implementation phase seems to be problematical though -g-.

To: John who wrote (43092)	11/7/2011 12:03:33 PM
From: the navigator	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71456

Bottom line: The occupiers are a joke. i can surely understand why you believe that the occupiers are a "joke." certainly, this country is in better shape than ever. our president, congress, supreme court, and other leaders are all listening to us and trying to do what is best for our country. we really have no need for a collective voice to speak out against what is happening to the united states and our future. /sarc off Being mad at everyone serves no purpose. Identify the most egregious offenders and shit-list them hard, collectively! i suppose, based on your comments, you have never actually visited an occupied site, or talked with the people there. i suppose, based on your comments, that you believe your news sources and accept whatever they tell you. otherwise, you would know that the occupy movement is not "mad at everyone." Citizens have the collective power to peacefully dismantle a bank, a corporation, a retailer, and an oil company. i guess you missed the part where the banks withdrew their plans to charge us their stupid $5/month fees on our debit cards. i guess you missed the part where over 1 million people have moved their money from a big bank to a local bank or a credit union? maybe it's not happening fast enough for you (2 months isn't fast enough to fix the country?), so maybe you should get involved and DO something to try and save the future of the next generation, instead of sitting behind your computer calling the occupy movement a joke, and criticizing those who are out there trying to make a difference. i've visited two occupy sites and the one thing they had in common was an openness to hear everyone's voice and to agree or disagree civilly without the divisiveness pushed down our throats by our leaders (i use that term loosely). each occupy site i've visited has been an open forum where people seek conversation with others to share a common ground. Instead of pissing and shitting themselves in the streets and setting trashcans on fire the occupy movement is a non-violent movement. i guess it never occurred to you that there are anarchists who wait for a movement like this to wreck their havoc on the country. i guess it never occurred to you that there are agents provocateur who are planted in a movement like this to keep it off-balance and make it appear to be violent and failing. rather, you choose to judge the whole movement based on whatever you have been told by some media. about the media...if you don't want to watch the whole 2+ mins, just pick it up at 1:12 and you'll get the message...the media speaks with one voice. youtube.com what most people can't seem to understand is that it is not "them and us"...it is "we"..."we the people." have a nice day.