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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (160474)	11/29/2011 2:50:02 PM
From: johnlw	10 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 206334

Swan This stuff is driving me a little crazy. To portray Kitimat as some piece of pristine wilderness is bizarre. There has been an aluminum smelter there since the '50's, this is supported by the Kemano dam which only flooded 120,00 acres and destroyed a salmon fishery. A pulp mill was built in the late '60's. A methanol/ ammonia facility operated there from the '80's to 2005ish. Real nice benign processes for the environment....yeah right. All these operations were serviced by tankers using the deep water port. I don't recall a single shipping incident. Yet the crude tankers are going to be sinking regularly and washing up on the coast? According to Lone Clone the natives and BC environmentalists are ok with the LNG facility....good stuff. Are they ok with the source of that gas? Its a product of fraccing, requires a pipeline.....through the already logged countryside. Boggles the mind. JW

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (160474)	11/29/2011 4:06:28 PM
From: Bearcatbob	7 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206334

Swannie, This is not about Kitmat. It is not about the Sand Hills. It is all about a massive effort to isolate the oil sands and to limit production of oil from that resource. Kitmat is a story for wanna believe Canadians. The Sand Hills is a story for wanna believe Americans. Wanna believe as in - opposition is based on a moral high ground. The oil sands are just another battle ground in the war of the wacko greens to "save the planet" from the devil CO2. As the East Anglia emails show - the truth is not the most important thing in this war. Oh BTW - the wacko greens have a great money business going as well. Bob

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (160474)	12/1/2011 2:49:36 PM
From: Dennis Roth	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206334

Oil Sands Export Ban: BC First Nations Unite to Declare Province-Wide Opposition to Crude Oil Pipeline and Tanker Expansion menafn.com{a06c0c6b-9a37-416d-811d-4e6fbb8ff143} VANCOUVER, COAST SALISH TERRITORIES, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Dec 01, 2011 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- First Nations, whose unceded territory encompasses the entire coastline of British Columbia, have formed a united front, banning all exports of tar sands crude oil through their territories, and effectively all of BC - whether by Enbridge in the north or Kinder-Morgan in the south. Several new First Nations signed the Save the Fraser Declaration in a Vancouver ceremony, expanding First Nations opposition in western Canada to more than 130 Nations. These First Nations form an unbroken wall of opposition from the U.S. border to the Arctic Ocean. This is the first time that First Nations have come together publicly to declare a ban on oil tankers and pipelines on both the north and south coasts. "North or south, it makes no difference. First Nations from every corner of BC are saying absolutely no tar sands pipelines or tankers in our territories," said Chief Jackie Thomas of Saik'uz First Nation, a member of the Yinka Dene Alliance. "We have banned oil pipelines and tankers using our laws, and we will defend our decision using all the means at our disposal." It is impossible for oil pipelines to go around opposed First Nations, and their consent to pipelines and tankers in their territories is required by international law...