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To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 1:43:38 PM
From: ggersh1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 119362
 
Targeted assasination and killing in a war could be considered two
different things. yep we will never know if any American lives were saved
or if another 9/11 was prevented, the fear issue,

But then there is this, which do you want?

In November 1938, Goebbels got the chance to take decisive action against the Jews for which he had been waiting when a Jewish youth, Herschel Grynszpan, shot a German diplomat in Paris, Ernst vom Rath, in revenge for the deportation of his family to Poland and the persecution of German Jews generally. [49] On 9 November, the evening vom Rath died of his wounds, Goebbels was at the Bürgerbräu Keller in Munich with Hitler, celebrating the anniversary of the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch with a large crowd of veteran Nazis. Goebbels told Hitler that "spontaneous" anti-Jewish violence had already broken out in German cities, although in fact this was not true: this was a clear case of Goebbels manipulating Hitler for his own ends. When Hitler said he approved of what was happening, Goebbels took this as authorization to organize a massive, nationwide pogrom against the Jews. He wrote in his diary:

[Hitler] decides: demonstrations should be allowed to continue. The police should be withdrawn. For once the Jews should get the feel of popular anger ... I immediately gave the necessary instructions to the police and the Party. Then I briefly spoke in that vein to the Party leadership. Stormy applause. All are instantly at the phones. Now people will act. [50]

The result of Goebbels’ incitement was Kristallnacht, the "Night of Broken Glass," during which the S.A. and Nazi Party went on a rampage of anti-Jewish violence and destruction, killing at least 90 and maybe as many as 200 people, destroying over a thousand synagogues and hundreds of Jewish businesses and homes, and dragging some 30,000 Jews off to concentration camps, where at least another thousand died before the remainder were released after several months of brutal treatment. The longer-term effect was to drive 80,000 Jews to emigrate, most leaving behind all their property in their desperation to escape. Foreign opinion reacted with horror, bringing to a sudden end the climate of appeasement of Nazi Germany in the western democracies. Goebbels’ pogrom thus moved Germany significantly closer to war, at a time when rearmament was still far from complete. Göring and some other Nazi leaders were furious at Goebbels’ actions, about which they had not been consulted. [51] Goebbels, however, was delighted. "As was to be expected, the entire nation is in uproar," he wrote. "This is one dead man who is costing the Jews dear. Our darling Jews will think twice in future before gunning down German diplomats." [52] In 1942 Goebbels was involved in the deportation of Berlin's Jews. [53]



To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 1:58:21 PM
From: TH4 Recommendations  Respond to of 119362
 
bent,

I dunno brother.

Larry Flint made his case with porn, and if you like porn that's great, but even if you don't, do you want someone drawing a line?

And in the case of a citizen being imprisoned without trial, again, do I want someone drawing that line?

I don't.

GT
TH



To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 3:21:31 PM
From: arun gera2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 119362
 
Curious why Awlaki chose to look like the Jewel of the Nile movie's saintly guy...

abcnews.go.com

’80s Actor or Dead Terrorist?



If you’re a fan of 1980s adventure comedies but not quite up-to-speed on the war on terror, you could be forgiven for wondering why “The Jewel of the Nile” star Avner Eisenberg’s picture has suddenly gone viral.

“Jewel” lovers, take heed: It’s not actually Eisenberg’s picture you’re seeing but rather that of a disturbing Eisenberg doppleganger – al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in a CIA drone strike in Yemen overnight.


At left, Anwar al Awlaki; at right, Avner Eisenberg as Jewel in "The Jewel of the Nile" (AP/Picture Desk)

Even Eisenberg himself admits that al-Awlaki bore an eerie resemblance to what Eisenberg looked like when playing the bearded, bespectacled title character in the 1985 Michael Douglas-Kathleen Turner film.

The cleric had a “really striking resemblance to that [Jewel] character. I wonder if he based his image on the movie,” Eisenberg told ABC News.

The 62-year-old Eisenberg is alive and well and living in Maine. The actor has traded celluloid for Vaudeville, frequently travelling to Europe and South America to stage his one-man show, “ Exceptions to Gravity.”

With his now-gray beard and balding head, Eisenberg said that he no longer looks much like his Jewel character or al-Awlaki — and that’s a good thing, he said, for practical reasons.

“I suspect it would have caused problems because I do travel internationally a lot,” he said.

He said that he’s not the only Vaudeville entertainer who could be confused for a terrorist.

Shoe bomber Richard Reed, he said, is “the spitting image” of one of The Flying Karamazov Brothers.




To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 5:18:18 PM
From: Les H7 Recommendations  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 119362
 
He wasn't a soldier. He was a preacher who provided religious and philosophical support to those who were predisposed to carry out terrorist acts. There's already a precedent case for putting such a man on trial. His name is Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman.



To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 7:02:32 PM
From: NOW  Respond to of 119362
 
and you know all of that from which source s exactly?



To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 7:30:24 PM
From: NOW3 Recommendations  Respond to of 119362
 
“Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
- Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.



To: bentway who wrote (53171)12/10/2011 10:02:43 PM
From: Broken_Clock8 Recommendations  Respond to of 119362
 
u sound like you're channeling Shrub dude...or maybe Prick Cheney.