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Pastimes : Plastics to Oil - Pyrolysis and Secret Catalysts and Alterna -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: $$$Stox_Trader$$$ who wrote (15175)	12/12/2011 9:59:34 PM
From: PaperProphet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53574

If you're talking about selling shares, there's not much difference from having him sell shares with the money going into the company and they paying himself cash through his salary, consulting or buying equipment from his tape reading business from himself. Re:<"I'm not aware of any instances of Mr Bordynuik lying."> - When Mr. Bordynuik said he had an offer from Somerset refinery last year, it turns out that Somerset was shut down. Obviously there was no offer. - When Mr. Bordynuik put out a press release saying JBI "files patents" and no patents were ever filed, what exactly was it that prompted him to put out a press release?? - When Mr. Bordynuik announced commercial plastic2oil operations a year ago, there weren't any commercial operations. - When he announced that he commenced P2O operations in 2009, there wasn't any indication that he was only doing research and development 'operations'. So what was he doing before that?? There are other cases where Mr. Bordynuik either lied or misled investors. He's extremely misleading. If you look at the stories and contexts he was painting, rarely do those turn out to be reality. For example he painted a picture that the NYDEC was holding up production mid-2010 and even paid $5,000 in a campaign contribution to a state senator--the senator who then wrote the NYDEC urging them to work efficiently on Mr. Bordynuik's application. The problem--Mr. Bordynuik hadn't even filled out that ten page application for the permit at that time and wouldn't for yet another month. He certainly led the senator to believe that the NYDEC was holding him up. Senator Thompson even copied him on the letter and Mr. Bordynuik was happy to publish it to shareholders, implicitly attesting to its accuracy. But lying or not, the crux is his secret catalyst which supposedly makes pyrolysis of waste plastic highly profitable...yet he takes no steps to provide any evidence and hasn't for three years. Instead we see delay after delay. I've worked with entrepreneurs in the past and honest ones don't act that way--it's in their best interest to prove their claims. You would have to understand how incredible it would be to actually have found a process which can produce diesel for less than $0.25/gallon...it's too-good-to-be-true and coupled with a CEO who isn't honest nor forthcoming but instead continually withholds anything which could supposedly prove he has a commercially viable process and he hides from any probing questions.

To: $$$Stox_Trader$$$ who wrote (15175)	12/13/2011 10:04:25 AM
From: SteveF	Respond to of 53574

The iHub push this morning doesn't look silly at all! "JBI, Inc: making fools out of promoters one bagholder at a time."

To: $$$Stox_Trader$$$ who wrote (15175)	12/13/2011 11:39:26 AM
From: 1Coffeehound	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53574

I'm not aware of any instances of Mr Bordynuik lying. Why no response to PaperProphet's reply? He provided several examples of lies by "Honest" John. How could you possibly be oblivious to them? What happened to the $10,000,000 in media credits? Have you seen Bordynuik's honorary degree from MIT? Thanks for you reply! I believe this kind of friendly debate is very helpful! Happy to oblige. Bring it on!

To: $$$Stox_Trader$$$ who wrote (15175)	12/13/2011 2:38:37 PM
From: SteveF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53574

Do you agree with 4kids that the Expedite2 investors shorted against their illegally-swapped JBII paper? siliconinvestor.com 4calling_birds Member Profile 4calling_birds Member Level Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:34:45 PM Re: mikeo56 post# 147427 Post # of 147432 it's a little difficult to do that with a 10M+ albatross hanging over the abusive shorts' head .. which is why until the catalyst kicks in on JBI and is known nationally (media exposure) which will certainly affect JBII's pps .. the stock will be laddered ~ either up or down .. but on very low volume .. which is why the 10 day and 90 day vol avgs matter and are worth noting daily but then so do the daily reg sho percentages .. even when diluted to take the percentages down .. clearly at this point in time it fools few :) lastly the call is mgmt's .. i'd use the oppty to add JBII or trade JBII (if i held 100k i'd be trading 5k per week based on what is being done by the PROS) since they are that obvious in their NEED FOR JBII shares .. clearly based on volume noted daily very few are selling but since i don't have 100,000 JBII shares ~ i just continue to bid sit when funds are available :) scrounging a few pennies together as i write this == 4kids all jmo

To: $$$Stox_Trader$$$ who wrote (15175)	12/13/2011 3:28:28 PM
From: SteveF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 53574

It might be best to go ahead and let it close in the $1.15 - $1.25 range today so tomorrow's 10% bounce can be pump-worthy (like last week when you said the $1.40 short was a bad idea). A flat close today followed by another embarrassing day pumping this scam to a flat close tomorrow (while 100-200k shares are dumped) isn't attracting the necessary fish hoped for by Niagara/Thorold locals.