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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9510)11/21/1997 10:03:00 AM
From: yard_man  Respond to of 39621
 
len,

There are many that think a lot of the O.T. writings are stories or parables, etc. I would strongly encourage you to read the whole story of Abraham for youself. Utlimately, it is simply up to you whether or not to believe -- as with the rest of the Bible. However, I think if you'll read the whole story of his life you may get a sense that this was a real man, not simply a myth used to further some agenda.

This is true of many of the famous O. T. characters, I think. There are details given about the lives of these men that are simply recorded, not put there to advance an "agenda." If you can make it through reading the story of Abraham -- I might recommend you read the story of Joseph. Both men were said to be approved of by God, yet they were very "real," not without fault or emotion. The climactic part of Joseph's story -- his dealings with his brothers is very special to me.

There is much that can be learned here, even before or if one doesn't come to faith (believing the stories are depictions of actual events).

My hope for you, of course ...

Regards
Barry



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9510)11/21/1997 11:53:00 AM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
><>...Beware Learned theoligians...><>

Many non-christians are learned theologians and they, as my friend Barry has already said, have their own agenda.

They work for the god of this world, and it is his pleasure to constantly trash the word and people of God, and he is never at a loss finding someone to do his bidding! He is still playing the same old game, nothing has changed....YET....

But I tell you this Len, his time is very limited, but not yet complete. He will make one more final bid in deceiving the people.! That time is approaching Len, and I bring to you and all others on this day, the warnings of Jesus.....

Mark 1:15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Make your own mind up who you will believe, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
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Len as to circumcision, the first recorded one was commanded by God unto Abraham.It sealed the covenant God made with Abraham. All that followed right down to this very day, were in recognition of that covenant, and even all that ever will follow. It never had nor does it still have anything to do with hygiene. This hygiene stuff is just another denial of the works of God.

The world is a wonderful place Len, but this world is just temporary, and if you think this world is beautiful, I pray that you will be in the eternal world,for there you will see beauty unmatched.!

Have a good day Len
Shalom...><>



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9510)11/21/1997 5:07:00 PM
From: gregor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Dear Len:

Greetings to you in the name of Jesus Christ. As I was browsing I came across your post and as a 30 year christian would you please give me 2 minutes of your time to respond.

You stated in your response you were still an agnostic. I take that to mean you are searching for truth but that you have not been swayed or convinced yet of God's eternal existence.

You stated it is a beautiful world; meaning to me that you are comfortable and secure in your beliefs.

Have you heard the little joke about the town drunk walking up Main Street one night, he passes the preacher going in the opposite direction; the preacher hangs his head and with a sigh shakes his head and with disdain mutters "drunk again "; the drunk replies "me too".

You may ask what is my point ? Just to say the preacher could have said, Joe, Bill, John, whatever: do you have time for a cup of coffee and a ham biscuit ? I'm sure the drunk would have positively replied.

Most christians I know have honest doubt from time to time, because you must accept Christ on faith; but can you be honest to yourself and say that you also have honest doubt from time to time in your beliefs: if you don't then for sure I would encourage some self examination. If you do then I am at your service ......

I would welcome your reply, also your company, on another thread called Jesus and Financial Freedom. or of course I would be happy to respond to you here. In Christ.........gregor



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (9510)11/22/1997 3:13:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker  Respond to of 39621
 
(anyone who does not like confusion, pass this up please. I have just run through a lot of stuff I research, and to take more time to post that I already do would make me wonder if I was playing with a full deck....... :)

Len, how wonderful to have an agnostic here. That means that we are doing well, and not running everyone off with pharaseeistic
religious babble, and nothing more. I rejoice in the three threads,
and the presence of those who are still thinking it over keep the waters here fresh. You know that stale ponds merely breed
misquitos, don't you?

And thank you for bringing up Abraham. And perhaps now the truly Christ-ians, from the main vine, will share with me what they think about this matter.

What astounds me is one day I pondered "Ur of the Chaladees.

That was the heart, the very Kansas, if you will, the very Dodge City of the Kansas, if you will, or ancient Iraq. Prior to this there was only the decendants of Ham, Shem and Japeth. Japeth's descendants were "coastal dwellers," and even pagans like H.G Wells acknowledge the sons of Noah--Ham, Shem and Japeth.
The Bible dwells endlessly on geneologies. Hey, instead of skimming over them, we should see the DNA codes buried withiin.

H. G. Wells made a diagram of the tree of languages, which I researched to do a fantastic study of a wild hunch I have about the "American Indians", a race so complex and un-definable they defy thought. (I hope that you once played Pinball, as that is the only way you can follow my mind, and it is constantly bouncing of the side levers and catapulting here and there, and I just go with it as it is fun, and this is the way the Lord has been able to show me things He obviously wanted me to see.)

Anyway, the tree of language: imagine a crude drawing of a knarled tree, breaking off into three main branch, off of which there are about 50 or so others. H. G Well, who indeed was not only a pagan, but I believe those in the black arts tend to claim him as one of their own, named the three branches of human languag:

HAMitic
S(H)EMetic
ARYAN
How Japeth got changed to Aryan, I don't know. Time allowing, I will research it. We do know the Aryans according to history right after the flood migrated to India. Put India directly East of Eden, which it is, then was that also because they immediately returned to their genetic homeland after the flood: SINCE CAIN SETTLED EAST OF EDEN IN THE LAND OF NOD? Then after picking up the most ancient of the bases of 1990's devil worship and occult from what they established there in the Indus Valley (this is all pure history from the humanistic sources, it's all there) they turn back toward
Anatolia (Turkey) and end up as the Germans, who end up as the Germans and Viking, etc., and who finally settle all over the place as English, Irish, Scotch, French and German, and about everybody else until the 400's when the descendants of the three sons get
all mixed in a pile in places like Spain and the moors infiltrate France, etc. I have not studied this, actually, but get the picture.

So, back to way before. We have only three things: the descendants of three boys and their wives. Japeth (Aryan) is long gone, and may obviously have slowly made their way to America
over the straits, as well as flooding upper Europe within a few hundred years. (You can walk the U.S. in how many weeks? It's been done a lot!)

But who was in Ur? Totally Baal worshipping, devil emersed ancient
Iraquis, who were previously called Sumerians immediately after the flood and it is recorded that they, period, were the only people known to be on the face of the earth. Time-Life Atlas of human history series records this, and Time-Life is as humanistic as it gets, and some conspiracy buffs think even more deadly than just "humanistic".

My point, the jews are really Iraquis who married with the decendants of Ham and some of Shem. This is an incredible
genetic reality that has baffled me. The whole "Jewish" problem has come to me as the American Indian Myths came to me--I was
preprogrammed to believe that Noah was a Jew, and that the whole thing came right from the Garden of Eden.

In genetic code fact, the whole Jewish thing is genetically Bablylonian, i.e., hardcore Iraqian, mixing with this and that pagans from ancient Syria it looks like, and tons of Phillistines, absolutely the worst of the lot.

The concept in everyone's mind, including all of Isreal, I'm sure, is that somehow they settled down here on a cloud as "Jews". But they were started by a Mesopotamian from the New York City of Mesopotamia. Which is, was, and will be to the end, Iraq.

Shalom? This blows my mind. Are you "genetically Jewish"? If so, please, please shed light on this strange reality. It is strange to me because now you have Jews and Arabs at each other's throats for 4,000 years, when in fact they are all
the same DNA.

And yes, it is all nothing more or less than the Ishmeal and Issac, and Jacob and Esea, and if it were shed in that light more, the struggle between us and the Islaamics might not be so unbridgeable at this point. I have a spot in my heart for Islaamic, who worship the Father of Jesus Christ fervently, and I don't think that we can't take some example from them, personally. At least they don't treat Allah like some jive buddy down at the shop.

I find all this so fascinating I can't hardly stay anywhere in history as the rest of it calls to me and I have to run off.

I'm just asking for someone else's understanding of this reality.
Does it have any bearing on anything, or is there something here I'm supposed to see, and can't quite?

Also, its just interesting, and I'm a history freak.