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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 11:13:53 AM
From: TideGlider	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224749

I didn't question Obama's Birth Certificate idiot. I just said it should be provided for examination, not an internet copy. Just as any other human being would. Got it? You ignore the obvious. You shouldn't. Read and try hard to understand. http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=27831275

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 11:44:51 AM
From: lorne	4 Recommendations Respond to of 224749

ken...I'm surprised that the number is so high, I mean considering that obama is the worst man made disaster ever in the USA? Just 39% of Dems Say Obama Reelection 'Very Likely' By JOHN MERLINE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted 12/17/2011 news.investors.com If recent news stories are to be believed, President Obama's reelection team thinks the prospect of this winning a second term have improved as Republican nomination battle continues and the economy shows some small signs of life. But a new IBD/TIPP poll suggests that most people, and even most Democrats, don't rate Obama's chances of victory in 2012 high at all. The national poll asked people how likely they think it is that Obama will win the November 2012 election. Only 23% said they think it's "very likely," with the rest offering more lukewarm assessments of his chances. Even among Democrats, only a little more than a third (39%) believe he's very likely to get reelected, with 46% saying he's "somewhat" likely to do so, and 14% saying that his winning isn't likely to happen. The survey also found that just 47% of all those asked think Obama deserves reelection, with 48% saying he doesn't. Independents were less supportive, with just 43% saying he deserves a second term. The IBD/TIPP poll also found that in almost every category, Obama gets low marks on his performance. When asked to grade his handing the economy, for example, just 27% gave him an A or B; on managing the budget, that figure was 26%. Only on the Afghan war does he do well, with 41% giving him high marks. Democrats also give their fellow Democratic president relatively low grades; just 49%, for example, gave him an A or B on his handling of the budget, and a slim majority approve of his handling of the economy. Meanwhile, just 30% of all those surveyed say Obama is providing strong leadership for the country. The poll isn't all bad news for Obama, however. Despite these low marks, 47% approve of the job he's doing, compared with 45% who disapprove. And when the "very likely" and "somewhat likely" answers to the question about his being reelected are combined, 65% say Obama could win. Larry Sabato, professor of politics at the University of Virginia and director of its Center for Politics, says that's because "they recognize the power of incumbency, and they may also be rendering a judgment on the Republican field of potential Obama opponents." Others point out that voters' predictions about the outcome of the next election could change dramatically over the next several months, depending on a number of factors, chief among them: who the GOP picks as its presidential nominee and how the economy performs next year. "If the economy is improving, that will help Obama even if unemployment is still high before the election," says Emory University political science professor Alan I. Abramowitz. His "Time-for-Change" forecasting model, which includes the change in real GDP in the second quarter before an election, has correctly predicted presidential race results since 1988. IBD/TIPP conducted the national poll of 911 adults from Dec. 4-11. The margin of error is +/-3.3 percentage points.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 11:55:32 AM
From: lorne	5 Recommendations Respond to of 224749

ken. how bout you pass this on to your ruler in chief as a way to handle assimilation of moslum immigrants to the USA that hussein obama is bringing into the USA. Assimilation good...non assimilation bad...bad for host country? Chinese City Seeks Burqa Ban A city in the heavily Muslim reaches of Western China wants to ban veils, traditional Arab dress, and long beards to stem religious fervor By Gavriel Queenann First Publish: 12/16/2011 Burqa GNU/Berbard GagnonA city in western China is trying reduce religious fervor by prohibiting people from wearing veils, traditional Arab dress, or growing long beards, Associated Press reports. "Dilute religious consciousness, advocate a civilized healthy life style," the notice in the Dunmaili district of Yining in China's heavily Muslim western reaches read. The notice added the campaign's objective was "to completely get rid of the abnormal phenomenon in the entire community of minority ethnic women and youth wearing Arabian dress, growing beards and covering their faces in veils." The notice also called for stubborn individuals who refuse to give up their veils, Arab dress, or long beards to be educated, and "diehards" turned over to judicial departments. Yining is in Xinjiang, a region home to the traditionally Muslim Uighur ethnic group. The region has occasionally seen religiously-motivated violent unrest. Tibetan Buddhists, Uighur Muslims and other minority faiths are generally allowed to wear their traditional dress. However, both groups have been targeted in political re-education campaigns following anti-government violence related to complaints over the lack of religious freedom in China. Xinjiang regional spokeswoman Hou Hanmin told AP by telephone that she was unaware of the campaign. "This is not consistent with the reality here," Hou said of the campaign, adding that it sounded "unrealistic." The notice from the Dunmaili district of Yining disappeared from the Yining government website Thursday after Western press inquiries, but remained available on a state-run news website. Bans of face coverings and other forms of hijab are increasingly taking hold in Western countries where a failure to assimilate large numbers of Muslim immigrants has resulted in societal divisions and calls to supplant the indigineous mainstream Western culture and laws with the growing minorities' Islamic Sharia law. Both Tunisia and Turkey have bans on hijab in public schools, universities, and government buildings. Morocco has no official ban, but actively encourages women to eschew hijab. In all three countries hijab is seen as a symbol of political Islam rather than mere religious expression.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 12:10:48 PM
From: MJ	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224749

There you go again Kenneth----------exaggerating---------'the entire country'------really now. You are a lawyer you know that is simply a diversionary statement-----another little boy spitball thrown from the corner of the room. Let's get serious now. Please provide your specific polls that support your statement. And, while providing your polls provide the specific documentation on what Trump has said-----what you are alleging of Trump is not true.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 12:29:16 PM
From: lorne	3 Recommendations Respond to of 224749

ken...Why do you outright LIE constantly.just like your ruler obama? Have you no shame at all? ....."TG is living in LA LA land while still questioning the validity of Obama's birth certificate. The entire country* is laughing at people like you and Trump.*".... Poll: Some still question Obama's birthplace By Susan Page, USA TODAY usatoday.com WASHINGTON — President Obama released his long-form birth certificate last month, confirming he was born in Hawaii, but that hasn't settled the question of his birthplace for some Americans. In a Gallup Poll taken May 5-8, 47% of those surveyed — less than a majority — say they believe the president was "definitely" born in the United States. Another 18% say he "probably" was born here. But a third of Americans remain skeptical or unsure: 8% say he probably was born elsewhere, 5% say he definitely was, and 20% say they don't know enough to say. The poll of 1,018 adults, taken by landline and cellphone, has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points. Ten percent of Republicans continue to say Obama was definitely born elsewhere, compared with 5% of independents and 2% of Democrats. Southerners and those with lower levels of income and education are most likely to doubt that Obama was born in the USA. That uncertainty and disbelief is likely to continue until most Republican leaders and candidates publicly affirm that they believe the issue has been settled, says Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin: "Partisans are rarely convinced by partisans on the opposite side." The findings also reflect a deterioration in faith in "the traditional gatekeepers of truth," including the news media and senior political leaders, he says. "There's a problem in what do you believe when everything is contested so vigorously by both sides." Obama decried the controversy as "silly" and a diversion from serious issues when he acceded to demands to release the longer form of his birth certificate, a step that required a waiver from the state. He had released the standard, shorter version during the 2008 campaign. Real estate mogul Donald Trump, who is considering a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, had been raising questions about Obama's birthplace. Since the release of the birth certificate, news coverage of the issue has ebbed and the number of Americans who accept Obama as native-born has risen. In a Gallup Poll taken April 20-23, only 38% said they thought Obama was "definitely" born in this country; that number has risen by 9 points. In the earlier poll, 24% said Obama definitely or probably was born elsewhere; that has fallen almost by half, to 13%. Among those who disapprove of the job Obama is doing as president, 11% say he was definitely born abroad. Among those who approve of the job he's doing, just 1% feel that way.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (120057)	12/18/2011 12:31:38 PM
From: lorne	2 Recommendations Respond to of 224749

...."TG is living in LA LA land while still questioning the validity of Obama's birth certificate. The entire country is laughing at people like you and Trump.".... One in four Americans think Obama was not born in U.S. By Stephanie Condon cbsnews.com CBS News Poll analysis by the CBS News Polling Unit: Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Fred Backus and Anthony Salvanto. A quarter of all Americans incorrectly think President Obama was not born in the United States, according to a new CBS News/ New York Times poll. Among all Republicans, 45 percent believe he was born in another country, as do 45 percent of Tea Party supporters, the poll shows. Since the start of Mr. Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, rumors have existed that he was born outside of the United States. The "birther" myth has steadily persisted through Mr. Obama's presidency, in spite of overwhelming evidence he was born in the United States -- including his 1961 birth announcement, printed in two Hawaii newspapers. Businessman and television personality Donald Trump has pushed the issue into the spotlight in recent weeks, insisting that he is unconvinced of Mr. Obama's origins. While Trump has used the issue to bring more attention to his possible Republican presidential bid, other Republicans are trying to tamp down the "birther" talk. House Tea Party Caucus Chairwoman Michele Bachmann said recently that it's time to "move on" from the issue. Additionally, Arizona's Republican Gov. Jan Brewer recently vetoed a bill, penned in response to questions about Mr. Obama's origins, that would have made Arizona the first state to require presidential candidates to provide proof of their birth before getting on the state ballot. The myth seems fated to live on, however, as a new book will come out next month entitled, "Where's the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President." While 25 percent of all Americans in this new poll say Mr. Obama was born outside the U.S., 57 percent correctly said he was born in the United States. Another 18 percent said they did not know where he was born. Among Republicans, 33 percent said Mr. Obama was born in the U.S., and 22 percent said they did not know. Thirty-four percent of Tea Party supporters said the president was born in the U.S., while 21 percent said they didn't know.