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To: Stan who wrote (462191)	12/27/2011 2:24:22 PM
From: Maurice Winn	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794333

< What about children born to those who've bought a citizenship? Are they free born citizens or must theirs be paid for too? >That's the main issue and why Tradable Citizenship wouldn't work in places with babies by the billion - the place would be over run with new people and human nature means those without a citizenship would revolt and conduct a French Revolution or English Revolution and murder those in charge. As has happened around the world in all countries always. It's only because people have few babies now that the world is as stable as it is. Before the 20th century, people everywhere bred like bunnies, having 10 children if the women survived. That's why genocidal war everywhere was the norm - there were simply too many people. Malthusian rules ran the world. The tribes which didn't have many babies lost the wars, so they were forced to breed like bunnies and go for larger tribes and larger territories and greater power. That was the history of humans and why empires got bigger and bigger and bigger until there were the likes of the Roman Empire, British Empire, Mongol rule right across Asia, Islamic rule from Morocco to Indonesia and down through Africa, up into Europe and up into Asia, American Empire right around the world. The most successful monster tribes were inclusive and didn't simply kill opposing males, they brought them into the tribe too provided they submitted and swore allegiance to the New World Order [as dictated by the centre of power]. They became economic trading institutions and mutual defence realms. But it's all different now. Now countries are not competing racial alpha male dominance hierarchy territorial tribes, they are competing economic entities with people hopping the fence by the million. People are having none, one or two children. Some countries are already in population decline [Japan for example with China going to follow in a couple of decades as the long 1 child policy flows through the demographic chain to old age]. People who don't have a citizenship by way of being an existing citizen, or by having bought one will be like visitors to countries as they are now, with second class citizenship. So people swarm into Saudi Arabia as visitor workers. Our daughter and husband have lived in London for 6 years, working, with limited rights, as second class citizens. Their son born a few kilometres from where his and my ancestors came is a third class citizen though he should really be far more entitled to a citizenship than the hordes who have swarmed into England from around the world with no cultural or economic foundation for being there other than to grab while the grabbing is good. A citizenship would be a property right like a house and piece of land. It could be inherited, gifted, sold, rented, borrowed against, and confiscated for criminal activity. It would remain the sovereign property of the state, the same as land and houses do since they can't be moved effectively. The state would increase the supply of them as agreed by the voters who would be only those who own citizenships. The incentive to vote to take opm would be dramatically reduced as people would NOT like to see the value of their citizenship being reduced by thieving kleptocratic bludgers. Communism is a popular ideology so I can see that people prefer the communistic way in which we are all state chattels and the state is all powerful with the state owning all citizenships. I could make a pretty good argument for that communist ideology with humans continuing to be like specialized cells in a human body for the common good, all designed and useful only to protect the super ego running the show from our cerebral cortex. But I dislike that communist ideology and prefer individual human freedom and self-determination rather than being a mere node in the state apparatus for the glory of Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama to roar around in Air Force One enjoying sexual antics in high places or for George Bush to decide he dislikes Saddam enough to spend $1 trillion on a lengthy war which just happened to keep oil prices up and oil company profits extreme. Parents who have children could gift their citizenships to their children when they die, or the children could inherit them from grand parents, or great grand parents or uncles and aunts, or simply buy some. There's nothing wrong with working for a living and to buy the rights. It really annoys me that my ancestors and I spent years [centuries] working to build so much, and now the stupid government just hands the $millions in assets I built over to any bludger from the third world who can contrive to con their way through the border and into the citizenship ranks and there are swarms of them. I worked 12 hour non stop shifts through the middle of the night wheeling concrete [in wheel barrow] building a continuous slip form valve tower. Then, a couple of decades later I had to pay for a pipeline to the Waikato river because so many immigrants had arrived that the free water I had provided them was used up and they wanted more, so the supply had to be increased. Same for electricity, and roads, schools, hospitals, gaols. There are 5 billion of them and not so many of me. Free citizenship for all comers doesn't work. Communism is bad. Freedom and property rights are good. Individuals and self determination are still the primary units of existence. If people have children, they had better be able to provide for them. They can't do that in Africa and across the Islamic Jihad world where Malthusian rules still apply and insurrection and revolution is currently the way they are sorting out property rights. Crime would go down because people would not want to lose their citizenships bit by bit or in one big chunk or for capital offences such as murder. Communism bad, Tradable Ctizenship good. Mqurice