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To: bruwin who wrote (178055)	12/27/2011 9:28:27 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542907

I think most of us here agree that Huntsman is the only republican who stands a chance of attracting the centrists. But I doubt he'll get many real liberals- since Huntsman is not a liberal. frumforum.com You are a conservative who is comfortable posting on politics for pros. This is not the thread for you anymore than we should be posting there, and what you see is not really relevant for centrists and members of the left. We all have our own "political goggles". Please read the thread header before you post again.

To: bruwin who wrote (178055)	12/27/2011 12:37:58 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 542907

The first thing Huntsman needs to do is, switch parties if he wants to run as a national candidate. He was my two time governor here in Utah, and I voted for him twice - the second time enthusiastically. (I'm an independent) Utah is a one party (R) state, and you HAVE to run as an (R) here if you want to be governor. Half of Salt Lake City is liberal, but, the the rest of the state is deep red. Obama saw his talent and made him ambassador to China. But, as a sane national candidate, he's never going to pass the (R) primary tests of hatefulness, mean-spirited-ness and just general pandering and disregard for the facts, and even reality itself. He just can't fake it with a straight face.

To: bruwin who wrote (178055)	12/27/2011 1:33:31 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542907

I always find it curious that certain people think that this thread should fit whatever their conceptions of "the center" are, and that no opinions that are not from the center should ever be expressed here. We are who we are, here. I don't come over to PFP and point out that nobody there is a "pro" politically.

To: bruwin who wrote (178055)	12/27/2011 3:24:06 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542907

Huntsman is a serious politician, as opposed to all but Romney in the Rep camp, and a serious conservative, which makes him different from Romney. But he is definitely not the man for the times. These are not the times for austerity programs, for rolling back the social programs of the last sixty or seventy years, or for reducing entitlements, regulations, and the array of programs that are the role of the state in what's left of late capitalism. Huntsman, for my money, is the most worrisome of Rep candidates. I assume that if Romney gets the nomination, we will get a third party candidacy. At least one of them; possibly two. If, however, Hunstman gets it, the tea party types are likely to find out he's actually a long time consistent conservative. In that case, the third party that will inevitably emerge, will be much weaker than if Romney is the Rep candidate. The second problem with Huntsman is that, with control of both houses of congress (I think the loss of the senate is inevitable should the Reps win the presidency) and the presidency, we can see a great many of the safety net programs disappear even further. And all those dire predictions of third world status may well come true much quicker than anticipated.