SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : View from the Center and Left -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: JohnM who wrote (178121)12/27/2011 10:18:08 PM
From: Sam  Respond to of 544087
 
What Obama didn’t say on ‘60 Minutes’

President Obama appeared on “60 Minutes” a couple of weeks ago, and as is always the case with longer interviews, some of the exchanges between him and Steve Kroft ended up on the editing-room floor. CBS went ahead and posted everything online, including the content that didn’t make the broadcast.

This quote from the president, in particular, seems to have generated quite a bit of attention.

“The issue here is not going be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history. But, you know, but when it comes to the economy, we’ve got a lot more work to do.”

Because our political discourse is so deeply foolish, Obama’s detractors took this quote, changed it, and complained bitterly that the president claimed to be the “fourth best” president in American history. That’s clearly not what Obama said, but for the president’s critics, the truth didn’t matter, so they jazzed it up a bit.

Indeed, Karl Rove’s American Crossroads even launched a video last week, attacking Obama for making a claim he didn’t, in reality, make.

Tom Hilton noticed that most of the nonsense came from the right, but not all of it. Dylan Ratigan told viewers that Obama had claimed to be the “fourth best president ever,” even though Obama had said no such thing. Even some liberal netroots leaders, who criticize the president from the left, repeated the far-right attack.

There are, however, two angles to this “story.” The first, obviously, is that the mockery is simply mistaken. Obama never claimed to be, as one critic put it, “the fourth greatest President of all time.” All one needs to do is look at the quote; there’s no need to make anything up.

The second angle, though, is a related question: isn’t Obama right when he touts his accomplishments? Is it not fair to say that if we compare this president’s accomplishments from his first two years against his predecessors that Obama’s record would look awfully impressive?

In his first two years, this president helped pull the economy back from a depression, rescued the American auto industry, passed a health care reform law 100 years in the making, signed Wall Street reform, DADT repeal, the woefully under-appreciated student loan reform, New START, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the biggest overhaul of our food-safety laws in 70 years, new regulation of the credit card industry, a national service bill, expanded stem-cell research, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, net neutrality, the most sweeping land-protection act in 15 years, and health care for 9/11 rescue workers, among other things. (That’s just his first two years. In his third, Obama also ordered the strike that killed bin Laden and helped oust Gadhafi in Libya.)

Love Obama or hate him, how many presidents have put together records like that? Putting aside the nonsense about Obama ranking himself, which obviously didn’t happen, weren’t his comments about accomplishments entirely accurate?



To: JohnM who wrote (178121)12/27/2011 10:24:15 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 544087
 
Found this article on Rubio/Obama/Clinton in Florida.

Poll: Marco Rubio veep could deliver Florida for Republicans
By Mary Ellen Klas Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau
November 1, 2011

TALLAHASSEE -- U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio could provide the juice needed for a Republican presidential candidate to win Florida, according to a new poll by Suffolk University.

But the advantage dissolves if President Barack Obama adds Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to his Democratic ticket.“In Florida, Marco Rubio is superman, but Hillary Clinton is kryptonite,’’ said David Paleologos, director of the Political Research Center at Boston’s Suffolk University.

Rubio has repeatedly said he is not interested in the vice presidency in 2012. Earlier this year, Clinton told CNN that she would was not interested in running as vice president or as president in the future. The poll of 800 registered voters in Florida, conducted from Oct. 26-30, found that with Rubio on the ticket the Republican presidential nominee would secure 46 percent to Obama’s 41 percent in Florida. Voters seemed to be unfazed by Rubio’s bad press over his muddled story of his family’s arrival to the United States from Cuba, which emerged just before the poll was conducted last week.

But the poll shows that without Rubio in the mix, Obama tied Mitt Romney at 42 percent and led all other contenders: Herman Cain — 42 percent to 39 percent, Rick Perry — 46 percent to 39 percent, Ron Paul — 44 percent to 32 percent and Newt Gingrich 45 percent to 38 percent.

"Marco Rubio secures Florida which, along with Ohio, is one of the two most important swing states to win,’’ Paleologos said.Because Rubio, a former House speaker and state legislator from Miami, polled well among Hispanic voters and younger voters, Paleologos said he believes that Rubio could also lend the Republican candidate strength in the westerners states of New Mexico, Texas, California, Arizona and Nevada, all with sizable Hispanic voters.

Meanwhile, Obama’s job approval continues to be mired in the dumps in Florida. Of those surveyed, 50 percent approve of the job he’s doing but 41 percent disapprove.But if Obama were to dump Vice President Joe Biden as running mate and replace him with Hillary Clinton, who has a favorability rating of 64 percent in Florida, the president’s popularity rises in Florida to 50 percent. Against Rubio and the Republican presidential nominee, an Obama-Clinton ticket also leads at 46 percent to 43 percent, with 10 percent undecided.

“It’s ironic that in the 2008 Democratic Primary, Barack Obama had to overthrow Clinton and the more traditional factions of the Democratic Party to win the nomination,” said Paleologos. “Now Clinton has become the quantifiable lifeboat that could save a sinking Democratic ticket in 2012.”The statewide survey was continued in partnership with WSVN-Miami, 7NEWS, and has a margin of error margin of +/- 3.5 percent.

Read more here: miamiherald.com



To: JohnM who wrote (178121)12/28/2011 1:19:21 AM
From: koan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 544087
 
You make good points about Rubio and he is too young? If he goes with Mitch Daniel's he might get Ohio, a swing state. And a real safe VP. Romney plays it safe. He is sort of a lying Republican Al Gore robot man-lol.

I am going to stick with Daniels, Pawlenty and the gov of Virgina. He mainly needs a credible conservative.

Mitch Daniels fills that space, swing state and he is safe and short. Personally, I think he is a polite asshole. Sort of like Romney though-lol.