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To: Hoa Hao who wrote (464019)	1/7/2012 8:38:17 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793897

I remember the terminology used back then was for the US to develop the capability to fight 'brushfire' wars. By which is meant hot and fast, and out soon.

To: Hoa Hao who wrote (464019)	1/8/2012 9:38:24 AM
From: unclewest	2 Recommendations Respond to of 793897

the first American soldier to die in Vietnam was Captain Harry G. Cramer Jr. of the 14th SFOD, 10-21-56. SF was a constantly growing work in progress all through the 1950's Indeed a work in progress it was back then. The same is true today. I had to call a friend for a few details. He was an SF original in 1952, more well known as a Son Tay Raider. The 14th was established on Okinawa around 1956. The 14 SFOD was the original classified designator for what was later designated the 1st Special Forces Group. The personnel were peeled out of the (then) 77th SFG, now known as the 7th SF Group which was recently relocated to Florida. Based on my experiences with the SF unit in Berlin beginning in 63, I would say the facts that the 14th SFOD existed, and the mission were classified Top Secret at the time. Due to compartmentalization, everyone in SF would not know about it. Same was true for the 6 A Teams in Berlin. The 77th SF Group was split out of what was the original SF Group…The 10th SF Group. The 14th ( Later designated as the 1st SF Group) sent MTTs or mobile training teams to conduct missions in Indonesia, Laos, the Philippines, and South Vietnam. These were training missions to train both indigenous forces to defend themselves and USSF A Teams to do that quickly and successfully. Laos became the larger combined CIA/SF operation, but was terminated when the UN declared Laos neutral. The effort shifted and the teams then went to Vietnam. Though we went back into Laos later with what was labeled Studies and Observation Group (SOG) on classified missions to disrupt the NVA infiltration of South Vietnam. I have no recollection of Cramer's death. He died about 6 years before I got on board SF. In 1962, in the 5th SFG I recall we thought Gabrielle and Marchant were the 1st SF KIAs in Nam. Another little known detail for LB. - The ballad of the GB was written by Robin Moore, the only civilian I knew who completed SF Training, and Barry Sadler the SF soldier/singer. Part of the song was dedicated to Gabrielle who was the 1st native Hawaiian SFer killed in Nam.