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To: carranza2 who wrote (464330)	1/10/2012 12:40:13 PM
From: robert a belfer	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793964

carranza2, thank you for the peice. It really gave me a walk down memory lane. In the late 70's and 80's I was at the cutting edge of ASW for the surface fleet. I rarely recount this because it is embarrassing. I have thousands and thousands of hours in the sonar shack looking for soviet submarines in the most advanced surface ASW platform of its time. The only real world soviet sub contact I ever prosecuted was first spotted by our helo pilot with his MARK I eyeball. (The water was very clear). I think we were the bullet catchers if it got ugly(Frigates). Although it was above my paygrade I had access to a lot of msg traffic and had the strong impression that our P-3 and SSN escorts were prepared to take out the underwater threats. As an aside I want to add that I was a PacFleet sailor. Water conditions matter a lot. My friends who did Med cruises had VERRY different experiences.

To: carranza2 who wrote (464330)	1/10/2012 12:40:33 PM
From: Hoa Hao	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

I never thought Lind that much of a serious military analyst myself. Diesels have their uses but they have to come up and "snort". Good for coastal but not much for power projection. Chinese diesel-electrics can't lay off US shores very well. Another lesson is that diesel-electric subs can be as effective or more effective than nuclear boats in the same situations. The U.S. Navy hates the very idea of non-nuclear submarines and therefore pretends they don't count for much. You can buy four to eight modern diesel-electric submarines for the cost of a single American "U-cruiser" nuke boat.

To: carranza2 who wrote (464330)	1/10/2012 9:52:49 PM
From: greenspirit	2 Recommendations Respond to of 793964

The Armchair Admiral pretends he's the only one who has considered such a scenario. What the story doesn't say is whether the Chinese sub was being followed by a U.S. Sub armed and ready to shoot a MK 48 up its butt. Of course, a blogger would never know that, and just speculate the carrier was completely unprotected. More likely the Chinese sub was being followed by an American sub who wanted to conduct a tactical tracking exercise. As soon as they opened their outer doors, "Firing Point Procedures".