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To: koan who wrote (6739)1/11/2012 10:44:51 AM
From: Murrey Walker3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
Our ocutnry has been captrued plitically by the far right evangelical Christian who wants us to live in the 1300's into perpetuity. And that has been a huge drag on the evolution of our democcracy for example universal health care, free educationa nd stem cell research.

It would occur to me, that a far left leaning liberal history teacher would take the time to proof messages to others.

How unintellectual.

Pity the poor children who fell under your tutelage.

BTW, you need to stray from vfc. Your democrat talking points need to be refreshed.



To: koan who wrote (6739)1/11/2012 10:55:42 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie4 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
1) The right wing has been hammering government since Raygun said: "government is the problem, not the solution". Point: "we are the government in a democracy, so it is a stupid thing to say.

We are the problem? is how that translates in a social equation.

the United States is not a democracy. It is a Republic. We elect representatives. And when we elect representatives that burden our society with more government institutions (and thus more government employees), the government is most assuredly not us. It becomes (has become) a giant parasitic organism living off of our society. It is a serious problem and it continues to create more problems.

Liberals are increasing worldwide, just not in the US. Couple of reasons

Liberals are increasing worldwide because there is a subset of people who have the value system that says that it is ok to take someone elses earnings as long as it is voted on as a "democracy".



To: koan who wrote (6739)1/12/2012 10:10:27 AM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 85487
 
When put to a popular vote, I don't think a single state has voted for gay marriage. So Mr. 'we are the government in a democracy' is going to accept the will of the people, right?



To: koan who wrote (6739)1/18/2012 8:43:40 PM
From: TimF2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
"government is the problem, not the solution". Point: "we are the government in a democracy, so it is a stupid thing to say.

Not at all. A democratic government doesn't mean "a government that doesn't cause harm". Government is made up of people, politicians, political appointees, non-appointed government employees, all with their own interests. There shared interest is in bigger government, making all of their jobs more secure (and making the politicians and top regulators more powerful). So government expands beyond where its needed or even useful.

Beyond just the size of government politicians seek money, votes, and appreciation from others who have their own special interests.



To: koan who wrote (6739)1/18/2012 11:24:56 PM
From: TimF1 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
Adam Smith on the the self-deception of politicians by Russ Roberts on January 18, 2012
in Adam Smith, Politics

From The Theory of Moral Sentiments:

"Amidst the turbulence and disorder of faction, a certain spirit of system is apt to mix itself with that public spirit which is founded upon the love of humanity, upon a real fellow-feeling with the inconveniencies and distresses to which some of our fellow-citizens may be exposed. This spirit of system commonly takes the direction of that more gentle public spirit; always animates it, and often inflames it even to the madness of fanaticism. The leaders of the discontented party seldom fail to hold out some plausible plan of reformation which, they pretend, will not only remove the inconveniencies and relieve the distresses immediately complained of, but will prevent, in all time coming, any return of the like inconveniencies and distresses. They often propose, upon this account, to new-model the constitution, and to alter, in some of its most essential parts, that system of government under which the subjects of a great empire have enjoyed, perhaps, peace, security, and even glory, during the course of several centuries together. The great body of the party are commonly intoxicated with the imaginary beauty of this ideal system, of which they have no experience, but which has been represented to them in all the most dazzling colours in which the eloquence of their leaders could paint it. Those leaders themselves, though they originally may have meant nothing but their own aggrandisement, become many of them in time the dupes of their own sophistry, and are as eager for this great reformation as the weakest and foolishest of their followers. Even though the leaders should have preserved their own heads, as indeed they commonly do, free from this fanaticism, yet they dare not always disappoint the expectation of their followers; but are often obliged, though contrary to their principle and their conscience, to act as if they were under the common delusion. The violence of the party, refusing all palliatives, all temperaments, all reasonable accommodations, by requiring too much frequently obtains nothing; and those inconveniencies and distresses which, with a little moderation, might in a great measure have been removed and relieved, are left altogether without the hope of a remedy."

The key part about self-deception:

"Those leaders themselves, though they originally may have meant nothing but their own aggrandisement, become many of them in time the dupes of their own sophistry, and are as eager for this great reformation as the weakest and foolishest of their followers. Even though the leaders should have preserved their own heads, as indeed they commonly do, free from this fanaticism, yet they dare not always disappoint the expectation of their followers; but are often obliged, though contrary to their principle and their conscience, to act as if they were under the common delusion."

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