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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (179281)	1/14/2012 3:38:01 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

Ok, here's a compare and contrast opportunity. I can't read the WSJ article, but here's the NYT article on the memo's release: nytimes.com A few things I notice: They give a link to the original, and they talk and reference views on both sides. And they don't make any "we're right, they're wrong" statements either. Maybe the WSJ did that too, but I have my doubts. The WSJ used to be pretty good if you ignored the hard core editorial page. My understanding is that under Murdoch, the editorial/reporting line ain't what it used to be.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (179281)	1/14/2012 12:31:44 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541933

<<Two things <<1) I think the recess appointment is in the gray area, and the neo cons have layed that out as fair territory for many years now. If they are going to do it, we must do it. For me, that is what made Obama different and not just another Politician. That is, he wouldn't go into grey areas simply for political expediency. >> In a somewhat resonable circumstance that is a nice idea, but when you are facing a rabid lion all you can do is stop it. The huge mistake Obama made was trying for three years to work with the Republcian's, when all they had in mind was destroying him. Bush and his neo cons had pretty much destroyed the country. Obama was hired to stop them. But he had this misconception he could reason with them which we liberals knew from experience was nuts. He had to fight them. Even his hiring of Daley was a last ditch effort to bring reason to Wall street. Daley is leaving because it was another failure. So now Obama is willing to fight the right wing, which is all you can do. It sure took him a long time to figure out the obvious, in many of our minds. 2) The WSJ is nothing more than a rag. Murdock doesn't do anything but rags. The NY Times isn't a shining light either as it has its points of view as well (absolutely biased for Obama in the last election and I'm talking about coverage/reporting---keeping in mind that I voted for Obama). I read both of them pretty much on a daily basis--so that should put me in the center of something. >> Comparing the WSJ to the New York times, is like comparing Brietbart and FOX to MSNBC.