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To: koan who wrote (6897)	1/14/2012 2:40:58 PM
From: Sdgla	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Asked and answered. When was the last time you questioned your own pov ? Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking \| Fox News Apr 18, 2009 · ... Antarctic Ice Growing ... Arctic Sea Ice Melting Faster Than ... contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap… www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517035,00.html · Cached page An Inconvenient Truth: The Ice Cap Is Growing - Washington Times A report from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado finds that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007. www.washingtontimes.com/.../jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing · Cached page The Ice Caps are Growing The Ice Caps are Growing By David J. Ameling There is very little precise ... This would cause a build up of snow and ice at the polar ice caps and thus increase … icecap.us/images/uploads/The_Ice_Caps_are_Growing.pdf · PDF file Archived Blog: Oh, that inconvenient growing polar ice cap Indeed the March sea-ice extent is now well within two standard deviations of the "baseline" set in the period 1979-2000 -- outside of which is touted on this website ... www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/oh_that_inconvenient_growing... · Cached page Op-Ed: Antarctic ice cap 'growing' and aren’t theories ... Op-Ed: Antarctic ice cap 'growing' and aren’t theories misunderstood? article:271218:95::0. Paul. By Paul Wallis. ... Unlike the Arctic, the Antarctic is a … www.digitaljournal.com/article/271218 · Cached page THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW! Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking By Greg Roberts 18 Apr 09 - "Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming ... www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm · Cached page

To: koan who wrote (6897)	1/14/2012 2:42:32 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

A few years back, Gore said it was gonna be ice free THIS year. 20+ years ago, James Hansen said Manhattan's West Side Highway would be underwater in 20 years or so. We're always a few years away from catastrophe.

To: koan who wrote (6897)	1/14/2012 3:07:28 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

"Ask yourself this. When was the last time the arctic was ice free." a bunch of times, 1958-59 for one, you have been lied to Koan, by the marxists Are Record Temperatures Abnormal? ? Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 – not so thick Posted on April 26, 2009 by Anthony Watts What would NSIDC and our media make of a photo like this if released by the NAVY today? Would we see headlines like “NORTH POLE NOW OPEN WATER”? Or maybe “Global warming melts North Pole”? Perhaps we would. sensationalism is all the rage these days. If it melts it makes headlines. Skate (SSN-578), surfaced at the North Pole, 17 March 1959. Image from NAVSOURCE Some additional captures from the newsreel below show that the ice was pretty thin then, thin enough to assign deckhands to chip it off after surfacing.The newsreel is interesting, here is the transcript. 1958 Newsreel: USS Skate, Nuclear Sub, Is First to Surface at North Pole ED HERLIHY, reporting: USS Skate heads north on another epic cruise into the strange underseas realm first opened up by our nuclear submarines. Last year, the Skate and her sister-sub Nautilus both cruised under the Arctic ice to the Pole. Then, conditions were most favorable. The Skate’s job is to see if it can be done when the Arctic winter is at its worst, with high winds pushing the floes into motion and the ice as thick as twenty-five feet. Ten times she is able to surface. Once, at the North Pole, where crewmen performed a mission of sentiment, scattering the ashes of polar explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins. In 1931, he was the first to attempt a submarine cruise to the Pole. Now, the Skate’s twelve-day three thousand mile voyage under the ice, shown in Defense Department films, demonstrates that missile-carrying nuclear subs could lurk under the Polar Ice Cap, safe from attack, to emerge at will, and fire off H-bomb missiles to any target on Earth. A powerful, retaliatory weapon for America’s defense. USS Skate during an Arctic surfacing in 1959. (US Navy Photo) From John Daly: For example, one crew member aboard the USS Skate which surfaced at the North Pole in 1959 and numerous other locations during Arctic cruises in 1958 and 1959 said: “the Skate found open water both in the summer and following winter. We surfaced near the North Pole in the winter through thin ice less than 2 feet thick. The ice moves from Alaska to Iceland and the wind and tides causes open water as the ice breaks up. The Ice at the polar ice cap is an average of 6-8 feet thick, but with the wind and tides the ice will crack and open into large polynyas (areas of open water), these areas will refreeze over with thin ice. We had sonar equipment that would find these open or thin areas to come up through, thus limiting any damage to the submarine. The ice would also close in and cover these areas crushing together making large ice ridges both above and below the water. We came up through a very large opening in 1958 that was 1/2 mile long and 200 yards wide. The wind came up and closed the opening within 2 hours. On both trips we were able to find open water. We were not able to surface through ice thicker than 3 feet.” - Hester, James E., Personal email communication, December 2000 Here are some screencaps from the newsreel: Note the feet of the deckhand for thickness perspective Ice going over the side after chipping It was that way again in 1962: Seadragon (SSN-584), foreground, and her sister Skate (SSN-578) during a rendezvous at the North Pole in August 1962 And of course then there’s this famous photo: But contrast that to 1999, just 12 years later, lots of ice: USS Hawkbill at the North Pole, Spring 1999. (US Navy Photo) But in 1993, it’s back to thin ice again: USS Pargo at the North Pole in 1993. (US Navy Photo) The point illustrated here: the North Pole is not static, ice varies significantly. The Arctic is not static either. Variance is the norm. There’s quite an interesting read at John Daly’s website, including a description of “the Gore Box”. Everybody should have one of those. h/t to WUWT commenters Stephen Skinner, Crosspatch, and Glenn. See the Skate image archive at NAVSOURCE