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To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 3:13:06 AM
From: bentway1 Recommendation  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 1577858
 
When Tim Tebow loses, does God, too?

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Tim Tebow's riveting ride to the Super Bowl is over now, two steps short of pay dirt. What a ride it was: a faith-fueling story that instigated and renewed many a fan's interest in pro football while leaping the bounds of the sports world and entering the wider realm of popular culture.

The rises and falls of Tebow these past few months have provoked all manner of speculation about the theological significance of the Jesus-professing quarterback of the Denver Broncos, just as it has stoked a vociferous proxy battle in the ongoing national argument over the public standing of the evangelical faith embodied by the Broncos' No. 15. All of this has come at a volume that has made it hard for anyone to think straight.

In the months until the return to training camps this summer, one can only hope that the inevitable Tebow withdrawal comes with a restoration of perspective and sanity — especially among those who have upped the ante to such ridiculous proportions around Tim Tebow, as if Christianity's validity in American public life rested on the young man's padded shoulders.
The highs and lows

No, Tebow's 45-10 loss to the New England Patriots Saturday night does not say anything about the credibility of Christianity or God. But it sure does about those who went overboard in ascribing cosmic significance to Tebow's touchdowns and victories during the season's high points, while remaining predictably mute during the low points. Football success, alas, is no place to rest your case for religion.

Twitter was aflutter with claims of divine revelation a week ago following Tebow's and the Broncos' stirring upset win over heavily favored Pittsburgh. It wasn't just that dramatic game-winning touchdown pass that did it. It was those eerily familiar digits— the 316 passing yards on Tebow's stat sheet and his 31.6 yards-per-completion average. It couldn't be mere coincidence that these are the same digits as John 3:16, the Bible verse that many believers would single out as the essence of the religion. ("For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.") As one Tebow promoter offered at a popular sports website, what more proof would anyone need for the truth of Christianity?

Well, a lot. And to say that is no insult against the Christian faith. The opposite, actually.
For all the visibility Tebowmania has given to the faith he so heroically represents, his most carried-away admirers and detractors have brought forth a mother lode of silliness, too. A new poll finds that 43% of people familiar with Tebow believe divine intervention plays a role in his success. Even before the numerology nonsense around Tebow's 316 passing yards, the season witnessed the appearance of Broncos' No. 15 jerseys with the name "Jesus" plastered on the name plate — idolatry, anyone? — and an unbecoming defensiveness by some evangelical Tebow enthusiasts who reacted to criticism of his playing ability as if it were an attack on the Christian faith itself.

"The reason that they hate Tebow," Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association asserts, "is because they hate Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ lives in Tim Tebow… and people hate it."
Enough!

Same goes for secular snark dispensers such as comedian Bill Maher, who have found Tebow and his constant statements of faith so detestable. Maher — who in 2008 produced an entire documentary, Religulous, to mock all faiths — has used enlightening terms like "douche bag" to articulate his view of Tebow. After a poor Tebow performance in one late-season loss, Maher tweeted, "Wow, Jesus just f----d #TimTebow bad." Couldn't the Tebow haters spare an ounce of credit for a guy whose religious conviction has led him to serve orphans and visit prisoners, who has had nary an off-field misstep or a harsh word for anyone in his five years in the spotlight?

Pairing sports and faith

Evangelizing on the coattails of a Christian athlete's victory can be mighty tempting, of course, and we've had it in big-time sports for decades now. The late-great Reggie White popularized the practice in pro football in the '80s and '90s, and others including Super Bowl-winning quarterback Kurt Warner carried the mantel onward in the following decade. What better way to bring the gospel message to the attention of a sports-obsessed culture? Yet offering the competitive successes of Jesus-loving sports stars as proofs for Christianity, as many Tebow nuts have done, ought to be troubling to anyone intent on a serious conversation about the nation's dominant religion.

As I have learned in my research on sports ministry organizations such as Athletes in Action, victory-based evangelism is troubling to many faith promoters in athletics, who realize that God is with the losers as much as the winners in sports and other temporal walks of life.
By conventional score-keeping, Jesus was hardly a "winner" when he willingly submitted to his executioners. On the other hand, would the public give a whit about Tebow's beliefs and Google-search his favorite Bible verses if he were a third-string player on a last place team?
As an Athletes in Action staff member once observed, winning is important not because God cares about the win-loss tally, but because Americans do.

Yet as Tebow's season-ending defeat demonstrates — as his dismal performances in Denver's final two regular-season losses show in even more vivid strokes — Jesus' favorite quarterback is capable of great failures, too. As is any athlete to whom Christians might point if they're operating in a celebrity-endorsement mode.

When a subculture hitches its credibility to a star Christian athlete, and said athlete stumbles (as he eventually will), someone ends up with egg on his or His face. Of course, any embarrassment belongs not to God, but to those who would hold up something as fleeting as sports success as evidence for Christianity's truth, while ignoring the innumerable cases of upstanding Christian figures who fail on the field. Don't forget: Lots of those Pittsburgh Steelers victimized by Tebow's heroics a week ago are deep-believing Christians, too.

Anyone with a well-developed handle on the meaning of Christian faith will tell you that it's not something that waxes and wanes like the fortunes of football players. This is one big reason why it has proved so compelling to so many people over the ages. As Tebow's bad games and errant passes attest, a football player's victories and stat-sheet digits are no place to look for Christianity's vindication.

Sure, use Tim Tebow as your test case for Christianity. Use his irrepressible spirit, his impressive character, his exemplary treatment of his fellow human beings. As for his yardage totals and yards-per-completion percentages? Those are for the football gods.

Tom Krattenmaker is a Portland-based writer specializing in religion in public life and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. He is the author of the book Onward Christian Athletes on Christianity in professional sports.



To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 10:24:15 AM
From: joseffy1 Recommendation  Respond to of 1577858
 
If Tebow were a muslim would you HATE him, bentway?

LOL



To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 10:24:42 AM
From: joseffy1 Recommendation  Respond to of 1577858
 
If Tebow were a black muslim would you HATE him, bentway?

LOL



To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 1:57:55 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577858
 
I don't think he's praying for his team to win the game.



To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 2:02:27 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 1577858
 
Tim Tebow, Christian athletes aren’t in it for the wins



Christian athletes like Tim Tebow don’t pray for wins, but see their sport as a calling, no matter their score or team record, Texas pastors say amid the Tebow-mania that has a nation of football fans and evangelical faithful taking to one knee in his signature pose.

“When most Christian athletes I know bow their knee in the end zone or point their index finger to the sky, they are not suggesting that God is on their side or is pushing for their victory over the other team,” said Rev. Randy Frazee, senior minister at Oak Hills Church in San Antonio. “Rather, they are giving God credit and glory for what they just accomplished. He is the one who has given them the strength, talent and the opportunity and a serious Christian wants others to know this.”

Tebow, like other big-name Christian players, has faced criticism for his demonstrative, outspoken faith, from fellow Christians who think he’s going too far to non-believers who don’t want to have to deal with God when they’re watching the game.

The Colorado pastor who recently called the Denver Broncos’ winning streak an act of God has added to the controversy, causing fans to ask, “Does God really care about the outcome of football games?”

“You win some, you lose some, and you learn from both. I don’t think that matters to God,” said Mikado Hinson, the chaplain for the football team at the University of Houston. “If you’re just praying to win, that becomes a really selfish prayer.”

Hinson and the team pray for protection, strength and ability to play in a way that maximizes their talent and gives glory to God, something Tebow also tries to do at every opportunity.

Sports fan and megachurch pastor Ed Young, of Second Baptist Church in Houston, may cheer for the Texans, but he can’t help but listen to the testimony of this Broncos QB.

“Yes, he’s living the will of God. He feels God has called him to be an athlete, and he’s trying to fulfill what he believes God is calling him to do in his life,” said sports fan and megachurch pastor Ed Young, of Second Baptist Church in Houston.

“I think Tebow has a separation between his faith and who wins or loses. As Christians, we suffer, we fumble, we have passes intercepted. Once (players) begin to connect the Ws and Ls with God, it’s hard to understand that as part of the Christian life.”

Biblical teachings can actually put things in the perspective of the cross, Christian athletes say, keeping them from getting big-headed from wins or devastated from losses.”

“Being a Christian really allows me to help center my concentration on not so much the practice, the game or the workout at hand but on something bigger: I find myself placing the significance of the situation on Christ more then anything or anyone else,” said Dalton Schafer, who leads the Fellowship of Christian Athletes at Houston Baptist University and plays for the school’s baseball team.

Even in the case of Tim Tebow and the Broncos, he said, “I don’t think that the winning teams necessarily have God’s favor. If this were true, I would think seminaries would all have athletic departments.”

blog.chron.com



To: bentway who wrote (642294)1/15/2012 2:04:58 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 1577858
 
With Epic Stupidity, Athiests Attack Tebow's Public Prayer



It was a foregone conclusion that the success of Christian poster-boy Tim Tebow on the football field was going to drive the atheist left bonkers. And so it has. As a result, we get to be treated to the warmed over mush of juvenile logic that these leading atheists boast as "reason." Oh, with an extra helping of hate thrown in on the side. Check out what the great organization American Atheists have to say about him and his public expression of faith:

American Atheists - a New Jersey based group that promotes the separation of church and state - tells CBSDenver.com that the only reason Tebow is popular is because he constantly injects his Christianity among the public.



"When we watch a sporting event, we are all united for our team," says David Silverman, president of American Atheists. "Tebow takes religion and injects it into the mix and divides the fan base."

Silverman states that Tebow's repeated references to God into his post-game comments after a win is "bad for football.

Ah yes, Dave...football is much better served by those who traffic in drugs, guns and promiscuity. This faithful Christianity stuff is going to wreck the game's image! This is what I mean about the ignorance of these folks. But David was just getting warmed up:

Silverman believes that Tebow is "full of crap" when he publically displays his Christianity on the football field and said his prayers are for publicity.

"It's not that Tebow prays, it's that he waits for the cameras to be on him to do it," Silverman says. "He's totally faking."

Does David Silverman have inside information here? Does he have private knowledge of the contents of Tebow's heart? Isn't it amazing how those same folks that talk about how "judgmental" Christian conservatives are, and who get really angry when Christians talk about right and wrong, are the most judgmental folks around? The truth is David Silverman has no idea whether Tebow prays in private or not. He has no idea what happens in the quiet moments of Tebow's life. He simply harbors a great hatred towards the guy, and he can't contain it. It's frothing over and leading Silverman and his entire organization into making idiotic statements that they have no basis in logic and reason (the so-called virtues of the atheist) to make:

Silverman says if Tebow is truly a Christian, he would pray in private, not public.

"It is not surprising Tebow ignores Matthew 6:5 in which Jesus says, ?When you pray, do not pray like the hypocrites in the street,'" Silverman says. "They pray to be seen praying. Pray in the closet."

This is some pretty sweet methodology isn't it? People like Silverman don't believe in the validity or authority of Scripture. They think Jesus was a total fraud. So they condemn Tebow's activity on the basis of...Jesus in Scripture. Unbelievable. Quick tip for David Silverman and his fellow atheists: if you want to be taken seriously, try to start with some consistency. If Jesus was a joke and Scripture is made-up fairy tales, like you say, then don't use those things as the standards by which you condemn the activity of those you don't like.

Secondly, this is - not surprisingly - a complete perversion of what Jesus was saying in Matthew 6:5. It's another classic example of the fools these anti-Christian folks make of themselves when they attempt to quote the Bible to prove their own anti-Bible points. They rip a portion of Scripture totally out of context, put their own spin on it and many times totally invert the meaning of the passage. But David Silverman should take heart...he's in good company. He's doing the same thing Satan did when he tempted Jesus by quoting Scripture out of context.

So let's respond to this distortion the same way Jesus did: with truth. Silverman might want to back up a few inches in his Bible and read Jesus instructing his followers to be the "light of the world" and not to hide their light in public, but to shine it brightly in every corner of the culture.

When Jesus speaks in Matthew 6:5, He is directly addressing the Pharisees and teachers of the law who were praying piously in public simply to try to prove their holiness in a culture where holiness was applauded and embraced. In other words, they were doing it so that others would give them praise. Tebow's public acts of faith are always done, as he says, to give glory to God for his success and the opportunities he's been given. And Tebow is doing this in the face of mockery and hatred in our culture. Holiness is not something that is highly regarded by pop culture. To say that Tebow shows his faith so that he'll get good press is about as dumb as it can be (see this very story we're talking about for proof).

And if I might take it a step further, far from having something gained by this behavior, it seems to me that Tebow is risking a great deal. When the man stumbles, as all men do, he is going to be held up to great mockery, derision and will be publicly crucified (for lack of a better term). Thus, the risks outweigh the gains here, don't they? That certainly wasn't the case for the Pharisees. I see a much closer parallel with Daniel, who prayed daily three times on his balcony as a witness to others. Daniel was commended for his obedience, not condemned.

If we're concerned about a violation of Matthew 6:5, ultimately it would all depend on what is going on in Tebow's heart. If Tebow does not have a private prayer life, if he is totally performing and not sincere, that is something that only he and God know. David Silverman certainly doesn't know it. But that doesn't stop Silverman from pronouncing judgment. What does that prove? It proves that Silverman's concern is not really the content of Tebow's heart. It's that Tebow is bringing glory to God - something that Silverman has committed his sad life to trying to prevent. It's a futile task, of course, and one that should bring as much pity as it does rebuke.

peterheck.com