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To: Greg or e who wrote (19669)	1/17/2012 11:46:31 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

The multiverse hypothesis ought to embarrass physicists. It was thought up only after the universe's fine tuning was observed by scientists. And it turns physics into a game of make believe. Let's pretend there's an infinity of universes and each of them is slightly different from the others (though there's no reason they should be other than that we need them to be), then we won't have to wonder about the fine-tuning problem.

To: Greg or e who wrote (19669)	1/17/2012 5:34:52 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 69300

Nothing in your post responds to my point that the multiple universe theory doesn't have a shred of empirical evidence. On top of that it's philosophically naive. All it does is move that question of origins back. Well we certainly have moved back back our origins and in no small way in inconceivable geologic distances of time , agreed ? No prophet of old could have a clue nor was he really speaking more than alegorical terms as in searching the depths of the soul , ascending to the heights of heavens doors , crossing that vast desert to find that holy land etc . One can embrace the idea of those biblical times when men often made it their speciality to speculate (prophesy) of the "greatness" of the world/cosmos but for all that they hardly had a real clue , agreed ? Like a child that guessed the continent's fittingness speaks of the an innate function of our maturing brain/mind to seek out patterns , to remember & envision pathways and to gain an internal sense of the dimensions of the world . This is what the brain does naturally for believer , sinner, saint & atheist all . In expanding that height, depth & length of things so infinitely to the largest to the smallest which science has done you should have nothing but praise , and what thought was small in the electron is even smaller still and what is imagined as "beginning" may be no such thing . But what matter anyways when in attempting to define & bring into your mind that infinite "greatness" is as much awe inspiring to any humanist scientist as it is to any believer . No, we don't know "the beginning" in fact , we have gotten close & prolly will understand it in time just as we understood that continents drift , we will prolly make that discovery too . But what does it matter really if the same awe is engendered in the participating mind ? Ah , we just like to argue is that it ? No No , and nothing into something !! ;o)

To: Greg or e who wrote (19669)	1/17/2012 5:49:52 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

The bible makes it plain that you and I are "without excuse" when it comes to knowing that God created the universe (A big bang needs a big banger if you will) And that you and I are morally responsible to Him. All your moralizing and appeals to cause and effect do is prove that there is a Creator and a moral Lawgiver So even more than what has been observed in nature of the good & providing parenting of many animals , their supreme dedication to even ultimate sacrifice that few humans ever achieve , or the illumination of many wonderful selfless teachers that brought knowledge of myself & the world to light in incredible ways , one should still search out "__" ? Well shall i look to the prophet Mohammed who speaks for "__" ? Or choose among the 15,000 sects of Christ followers for "__" ? Go Mormon to find "__"? Become a Jehova witness for "__" Choose to become a Jew and learn to dance ? I certainly would love to learn to dance better , do they do that in your church ? So many choices , so many differences ...and only one "___" ....hmmm Here's a good sermon for ya on the vastness of the greatness etc articles.ochristian.com "Breadth, Length, Depth, Height"