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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (107610)	1/19/2012 12:12:32 PM
From: brushwud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

In these days (not when the Constitution was developed), every American has to meet the bare minimum to be worthy of the rights of a US citizen. Us citizenship does not come that cheap. I am sure your parents will agree agree with that, being immigrants like I am. US citizenship and all the rights that go with it, comes for a price. surely, a person forfeits those rights when they want to kill every one of their fellow citizens for the simple reason that they are US citizens like he/she is. What an asinine thought. And for that thinking we as US citizens, through our elected reps and our system have every right to bring that person to justice and go even as far as trying that person as a non-citizen by forfeiting all rights due to a US citizen. What nonsense. The Declaration of Independence says humans are "endowed by their Creator" with "inalienable rights right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Those are timeless "laws of nature". Sure criminals are deprived of life and liberty through "due process of law", but you're saying some deserve to "forfeit all rights" before trial. I suppose if Osama bin Laden was reaching for his gun when apprehended then killing him was unavoidable, but GTMO is a pustulent cancer on the most fundamental American traditions and Obama has failed to do anything to excise it. I don't know why you don't get this. If I have someone in my office who is violent and wants to kill everybody, I would first expel that person from the company and then turn that person over to the police. Wow, you must be one buff dude, like the Terminator, turning over custody of that violent person. Thanks for your willingness to pay the price to maintain our security and keep us all free. In an office situation, where none of my family was present, I'd probably duck and run for cover and call the police for help at the first opportunity.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (107610)	1/19/2012 12:56:04 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I can agree that maybe those people should lose their citizenship if they have been found guilty of the charges against them by a court of law. But that is not for one man to decide. One man rule is called Dictatorship. Rule by Law is called Freedom from Tyranny. I don't understand why you don't get that. History is rife with example of people who were falsely accused and their lives ruined, only to later on be found to have been innocent. Think of all the black people who were lynched in extra-judicial proceedings just because white people didn't like the color of their skin. We need to make sure we continue to be a country ruled by Laws and leaving the judgments to our Judicial System. This idea that you can let one man who is the President judge any citizen based on his own opinion is so incredibly stupid and dangerous, it is breathtaking.