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To: carranza2 who wrote (86081)1/19/2012 5:38:03 AM
From: TobagoJack3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220172
 
synopsis of bulls (bre-x, vestas wind, toll brothers, and yahoo)


given the phases and my rule of thumb that 80% of the needling ramp comes w/i the last 20% of the bull ramping time, am surmising that

(i) greater the global participation, higher the end-stage gains by proportion
(ii) shorter the total elapsed bull run time would tend to more evenly allocate the bull gain between the first 80% of bull run time and the 20% end-stage bull run time
(iii) truer the imperative, if salvation was concerned, as opposed to simply money not paid, and the more vivid the imagination, sharper the end-stage ramp

gold to 6000 is ridiculous ... ly low
gold to 8000 is for sure
gold to 10,000 is as good as in the spending bag
gold to 12,000? depends on what actually happens in greece over the next few months and how well the cities appear to burn

the gold run has so far been tepid at best, just a gentle incline

the only reasons folks shout bubble are
(i) they do not have gold
(ii) paper fell out of bed and ended up in the bottom of the cliff

1999 Dec 31st USD 288/oz
2000 Dec 29th USD 274/oz -6%
2001 Dec 31st USD 279/oz +3%
2002 Dec 31st USD 348/oz +25%
2003 Dec 31st USD 416/oz +20%
2004 Dec 31st USD 438/oz +5%
2005 Dec 30th USD 519/oz +18%
2006 Dec 29th USD 638/oz +24%
2007 Dec 31st USD 833/oz +31%
2008 Dec 31st USD 889/oz +7%
2009 Dec 31st USD 1,095/oz +23%
2010 Dec 31st USD 1,421/oz +30%
2011 Dec 31st USD 1,567/oz +10%
2012 Jan 19th USD 1,660/oz +6%

bubbles do not look like this below ...


bubble, if asymmetrical, looks like ...


or, if symmetrical, looks like




bre-x pure bull
start of bull: march 25th 1995 @ 0.21/shr
end of bull: may 27th, 1996 @ 28.15/shr
all-in bull-gain: 27.94/shr
elapsed bull run time: 14 months
start of bull-run-end-stage: 0.8 x 14 months = 11 months, or end february 1996
price @ 20th february 1996: 13.8/shr, so bull gain to that date out of total bull gain was (13.8-0.21) / (28.15-0.21) = 48%

i am guessing bre-x was particularly infectious and virulent and therefore investors were particularly enthusiastic, and also given its short 3-months fuse to flame-out, a 52% gain from 'end-stage bull' to flame-out is very respectable.

bre-x chart


vestas windy bull
start of bull: march 3rd 2003 @ 36/shr
end of bull: august 25th 2008 @ 692/shr
all-in bull-gain: 656/shr
elapsed bull run time: 5 years and 5 months, or 65 months
start of bull-run-end-stage: 0.8 x 65 months = 52 months, or 4 years and 4 months, or end june 2007
price @ end june 2007: 364/shr, so bull gain to that date out of total bull gain was (365-36) / (692-36) = 50%

not as close to the usual government work, but still materially relevant, given that vestas bubble was not a global bubble for the masses, but only for freaky new energy connoisseurs



toll brothers pen
start of bull: november 1990 @ 0.56/shr (after meandering for years, finally leaving the steady-state price behind and never looked back)
end of bull: july 2005 @ 55.42/shr (needle all-time high)
all-in bull-gain: 55/shr (do not quibble over the odd cents!)
elapsed bull run time: bang-on 176 months
start of bull-run-end-stage: 141th months (11 years and 9 months) from inception, or end august 2002, (by definition)
tol price in end august 2002: 12.50/shr, and as percentage of total bull gain, approx 12/55 = 22% of total eventual all-in bull-gain
much closer than the usual government work

almost bang ^$#@%23 on



yahoo bull moo
start of bull: january 3rd 1997 @ 0.77/shr (after meandering for years, finally leaving the steady-state price behind and never looked back)
end of bull: january 3rd 2000 @ 118.75/shr (needle all-time high)
all-in bull-gain: 118/shr (do not quibble over the two cents!)
elapsed bull run time: bang-on 36 months
start of bull-run-end-stage: 28.8th months from inception, or end may 1999, (by definition)
yahoo price in end may 28 1999: between 37/shr, and as percentage of total bull gain, approx 37/118 = 31% of total eventual all-in bull-gain




To: carranza2 who wrote (86081)1/19/2012 7:38:59 PM
From: TobagoJack1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 220172
 
just in in-tray

From: A
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: Comments - Week of January 16 - gold shall come, all over, everywhere

The institutional gold price forecasts for the year ahead are finally in.

We have the London Bullion Market Association’s (LBMA) annual forecasting competition, the Thomson Reuters GFMS annual gold survey, and the PriceWaterhouseCoopers 2012 Gold Price Report.

So let’s take a look at what the professionals think gold is going to do in 2012

The consensus for gold next year is ‘gently bullish’

The LBMA’s forecast is always entertaining. 26 ‘players’ in the world of gold and silver predict a high, a low and an average price for the year.

The LBMA’s forecasts tend towards the conservative. Unlike the wilder calls of independent newsletter writers and commentators you find in the darker reaches of the web, these contestants mostly work for ’sensible’ banks.

So rather than attention-seeking mavericks, we have ‘backside-covering’ company men. Their forecasts reflect that. And if there’s one consistent trend I’ve noted in the years that I’ve been following these forecasts, it’s that they usually underestimate how well the metal is going to perform.

For example, in 2011, gold outperformed the average price forecast by a whopping $115 (8% or so). The most bullish forecast was for a high of $1,850, from bullion dealer Ross Norman of Sharps Pixley. Gold went to $1,920 in the end.

It is usually one of the more bullish forecasts that wins. As often as not, it’s Norman who comes out on top, although in 2011 first place went to Edel Tully of UBS, who correctly guessed the average price.

This year, Tully is the most bullish forecaster. He sees a high of $2,500, a low of $1,400 and an average price of $2,050. That’s a pretty bumpy year. Ross, on the other hand, has a calmer outlook. He sees a high of $2,100, a low of $1,590 and an average price of $1,765. Gently bullish, in other words.

The most bearish forecast comes from Rohit Savant of CPM Group in New York . He sees a high of $1,800, a low of $1,200 and an average of $1,612.

The average forecast is for an average price of $1,766, which would be a 10% rise on the year, with a high of $2,055 and a low of $1,443. If this forecast repeats the typical excess conservatism we’ve seen in the past, we can expect an average price 8% or so higher than $1,766. That would be $1,907. I’ll take that.

Forecasts are just forecasts, nothing more. You get the impression that while some might study charts and calculate average price moves over the last 15 years, others have just taken a stab in the dark on their way to the water cooler.

Looking at the Thomson Reuters GFMS survey, we see that global investment demand rose by 20% last year to $80bn. In the physical markets, purchases of gold bars rose by more than a third to almost 1,200 tonnes, with demand particularly strong in China , Germany , Switzerland and Austria .

The report predicts an average around today’s price of $1,640 for the first half of 2012 and a push towards $2,000 in the second half.

What about the miners?

The PwC report focuses more on mining companies and their activities. Looking back at their predictions for 2011, the gold mining company executives – just as with our men from the LBMA – erred towards the conservative. Though one – I wish I knew who – said $3,000.

For 2012, just as with the LBMA, the highest prediction is $2,500, the lowest is $1,350 and most hover around $2,000. 80% of those asked see an increase, 14% expect current levels to be maintained, and 6% see a decrease. The average price that will be used for mine planning and budgeting is $1,420.

I’ll have more on the PwC report in a future Money Morning. It is very interesting reading about how executives are planning to deal with the relative underperformance of mining stocks versus the metal.

Gold won’t hit a new high in the first half of 2012

So, the overall consensus is, I would say, gently bullish. This automatically makes me think 2012 will be anything but gentle. We’ll see.

For now the issue with gold is that falling blue trend line I have drawn in the chart below. Until it can break out above that, it’s not going anywhere. I see quite strong resistance $1,670-80 area. On the other hand, it seems to have a floor where I have drawn that green line in the $1,530 area.



This pattern is typical for gold after it has made an interim high, as the chart below shows. It happened in 2006 and again in 2008 – and to a lesser extent in late 2009. It takes many months of consolidation – over a year in 2006 and 2008 – before it breaks out to new highs.

The steepness of the current pullback has me a little concerned. There’s something a little ‘2008’ about it – though in percentage terms (you would see this on a log chart), the pullback is actually quite small.



So, I’m going to make the same ‘mistake’ as the chaps from the LBMA in my prediction, which also ties in with our man from Thomson Reuteurs and err towards the conservative. I see a low for the year of $1,535. (We may already have had it in the last week of 2011, in fact.)

I see an average price of, say, $1,850, maybe a little higher. We’ll inch higher as the year goes by and the price could make several assaults on $1,900 in the latter part of the year. But I don’t see new highs in gold (above $1,920) until the second half of this year at the earliest – in fact, probably not till 2013.