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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 10:02:28 AM
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"If Newt is nominated, Barack Obama will be the 'family values" candidate."

Otherwise he wouldn't be? Why not? What does that say about Obama?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 10:23:15 AM
From: Ann Corrigan6 Recommendations  Respond to of 224718
 
His evil fraternal twin, Bill Ayres, and Uncle Jeremiah Wright represent Obama's moral values.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 10:53:32 AM
From: Ann Corrigan2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224718
 
Cousin Tony Retzko is another one of Obama's soul mates.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 11:15:06 AM
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70% Prefer Free Market to Government-Managed Economy

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Friday, January 20, 2012

Americans still put a lot more faith in the private sector than in government when it comes to making the economy work.

Seventy percent (70%) of American Adults think a free market economy is better than one managed by the government. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 15% believe a government-managed economy is better. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)





To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 12:21:53 PM
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I have read that Obama may be gay---------is Obama gay?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 2:12:48 PM
From: Hope Praytochange3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224718
 
Afghan soldiers step up killing of NATO allies

Share Posted: Jan 20, 2012, 10:23 am
By Matthew Rosenberg
New York Times
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. and other coalition forces here are being killed in increasing numbers by the very Afghan soldiers they fight alongside and train, in attacks motivated by deep-seated animosity between the supposedly allied forces, according to U.S. and Afghan officers and a classified coalition report obtained by The New York Times.
A decade into the war in Afghanistan, the report makes clear that these killings have become the most visible symptom of a far deeper ailment plaguing the war effort: the contempt each side holds for the other, never mind the Taliban. The ill will and mistrust run deep among civilians and militaries on both sides, raising questions about what future role the United States and its allies can expect to play in Afghanistan.

The violence, and the failure by coalition commanders to address it, casts a harsh spotlight on the shortcomings of U.S. efforts to build a functional Afghan army, a pillar of the Obama administration's strategy for extricating the United States from the war in Afghanistan, said the officers and experts who helped shape the strategy.

The problems risk leaving the United States and its allies dependent on an Afghan force that is permeated by anti-Western sentiment and incapable of combating the Taliban and other militants when NATO's combat mission ends in 2014, they said.

One instance of the general level of antipathy in the war exploded into uncomfortable view last week when video emerged of U.S. Marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters. Although U.S. commanders condemned the act, chat-room and Facebook posts by Marines and their supporters were full of praise for the desecration.

But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by U.S. and NATO officials as isolated incidents that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate U.S. command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view.

''Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between 'allies' in modern military history)," it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary "seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest," said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.

The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But "incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed ISAF members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis," said Army Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr., a spokesman for the U.S.-led International Security Assistance Force. "We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships."

The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces' deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked U.S. and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.

Two members of the French Foreign Legion and one U.S. soldier were killed in separate incidents in the past month, according to statements by NATO.

The classified report found that between May 2007 and May 2011, when it was completed, at least 58 Western service members were killed in 26 separate attacks by Afghan soldiers and the police nationwide. Most of those attacks have occurred since October 2009. This toll represented 6 percent of all hostile coalition deaths during that period, the report said.

''The sense of hatred is growing rapidly," said an Afghan army colonel. He described his troops as "thieves, liars and drug addicts," but also said that the Americans were "rude, arrogant bullies who use foul language."

Senior commanders largely manage to keep their feelings in check, said the officer, who asked not to be named so he could speak openly. But the officer said, "I am afraid it will turn into a major problem in the near future in the lower ranks of both armies."

There have been successes, especially among the elite Afghan commandos and coalition Special Operations forces, most of whom have undergone in-depth cultural training and speak at least some Dari and Pashto, the two main languages spoken in Afghanistan. But, as highlighted by the classified report, familiarity in most cases appears to have mainly bred contempt — and that, in turn, has undercut the benefits of pairing up the forces.

The problem has also featured in classified reports tracking progress in the war effort, most of which are far more negative than the public declarations of progress, said a U.S. officer, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing secret information.

''If you get two 18-year-olds from two different cultures and put them in New York, you get a gang fight," said Anthony H. Cordesman, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington who has advised the U.S. military on its Afghan strategy.

''What you have here are two very different cultures with different values," he said in a telephone interview. "They treat each other with contempt."

The U.S. soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came in April when an Afghan air force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting U.S. officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.

He then killed himself after writing "God in your name" and "God is one" in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week.

In a 436-page report, the Air Force investigators said the initial coalition explanation for the attack — stress brought on by financial problems — was only a small part of Gul's motivation. His primary motive was hatred of the United States, and he planned the attack to kill as many Americans as possible, the investigators said.

There have been no reported instances of Americans' killing Afghan soldiers, although a rogue group of U.S. soldiers killed three Afghan civilians for sport in 2010. Yet there is ample evidence of U.S. disregard for Afghans. After the urination video circulated, a number of those who had served in Afghanistan took to Facebook and other websites to cheer on their compatriots, describing Afghans of all stripes in harsh terms.

Many messages were posted on public forums, others in private message strings. One private exchange was provided to The Times by a participant in the conversation; the names of those posting matched those on record as having served in the Marine Corps. In that conversation, a former Marine said he thought the video was "pretty awesome." Another said he hoped it would happen more often.

The 70-page classified coalition report, titled "A Crisis of Trust and Cultural Incompatibility," goes far beyond anecdotes. It was conducted by a behavioral scientist who surveyed 613 Afghan soldiers and police officers, 215 U.S. soldiers and 30 Afghan interpreters who worked for the Americans.

While the report focused on three areas of eastern Afghanistan, many of the Afghan soldiers interviewed had served elsewhere in Afghanistan and the author believed that they constituted a sample representative of the entire country.

"There are pervasive feelings of animosity and distrust ANSF personnel have towards U.S. forces," the report said, using military's abbreviation for Afghan security forces.

The list of Afghan complaints against the Americans ran the gamut from the killing of civilians to urinating in public and cursing.

''U.S. soldiers don't listen, they are too arrogant," said one of the Afghan soldiers surveyed, according to the report. "They get upset due to their casualties, so they take it out on civilians during their searches," said another.

The Americans were equally as scathing.

''U.S. soldiers' perceptions of ANA members were extremely negative across categories," the report found, using the initials for the Afghan National Army. Those categories included "trustworthiness on patrol," ''honesty and integrity," and "drug abuse."

The Americans also voiced suspicions about the Afghans being in league with the Taliban, a problem well documented among the Afghan police.

''They are stoned all the time; some even while on patrol with us," one soldier was quoted as saying. Another said, "They are pretty much gutless in combat; we do most of the fighting."



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (122081)1/20/2012 2:13:20 PM
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