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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (7135)1/20/2012 11:20:59 AM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
As early as 1959, the first US submarine to surface at the North Pole, the USS Skate, did so in late March, and surfaced at 10 other locations during the same cruise, each time finding leads of open water or very thin ice from which to do so. It did a similar cruise a year earlier in August 1958, again finding numerous open leads within which to surface. Here is a photo of the Skate during one of its surfacings in 1959. As can be seen in all three photos, the flat new ice is scarcely different between 1959 and 1999, while the 1987 photo shows the extent to which open water can occur.


Fig.4 - HMS Superb, USS Billfish, and USS Sea Devil in a North Pole rendezvous in 1987
(U.S. Navy Photo)


By contrast, a similar photo taken 12 years later of USS Hawkbill (with the ominous number SSN-666) at the North Pole during the spring of 1999 shows a vast expanse of unbroken new ice. (Hawkbill was nicknamed `the Devil Boat' due to its number, and was decommissioned in 2000 shortly after its last Arctic cruise, much to the relief of those familiar with the `Book of Revelation').


Fig.5 - USS Hawkbill at the North Pole, Spring 1999. (US Navy Photo) [19]

As early as 1959, the first US submarine to surface at the North Pole, the USS Skate, did so in late March, and surfaced at 10 other locations during the same cruise, each time finding leads of open water or very thin ice from which to do so. It did a similar cruise a year earlier in August 1958, again finding numerous open leads within which to surface. Here is a photo of the Skate during one of its surfacings in 1959. As can be seen in all three photos, the flat new ice is scarcely different between 1959 and 1999, while the 1987 photo shows the extent to which open water can occur.


Fig.6 - USS Skate during an Arctic surfacing in 1959. (US Navy Photo) [18]



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (7135)1/20/2012 12:20:35 PM
From: Steve Lokness  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
<<They are pretty stupid>>>

Yes stupid; when one finds one example of a high temperature - but ignores all the evidence of science - they put at risk our world as we know it. It is stupid indeed and more than a little sad.



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (7135)1/20/2012 12:43:49 PM
From: Sdgla4 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
Wharf,

The global system is way to chaotic/complex for you and your science to predict in any fashion one way or another.

You cannot flip flop your way to a conclusive scientific results.

To claim to do so with the accuracy you portend lends more towards religion than science.

JMO

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