To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (20034 ) 1/22/2012 2:20:01 PM From: Brumar89 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 Why is the king of strawmen (Nazis, lynch mobs, cross burning, etc) complaining about strawmen?conservative religious people start and end with assumptions that cannot be challenged with evidence, and obedience is protected by fear. Every atheist would change his/her mind with valid empirical and replicable experimental data. That's a bunch of BS. First religious people are generally willing to accept evidence, that's why most today believe in an "old earth." Second, atheists would NOT change their minds over evidence. They have deep emotional issues with God and can't rationally explain where they come from. Look at the guy I just replied to. He hates Jesus and Christianity and when asked repeatedly can't say, he can only state his hatred stronger. If atheists were open-minded, they'd admit there is a logical case for design. Even Dawkins admitted the world is filled with things that look designed. But their emotions won't let them consider the obvious answer. "Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door." Richard Lowenstein There are in the US: 573 Catholic hospitals which treated 84.7 million patients in 2005 5 6,511 elementary schools and 1,354 high schools, with over 2.5 million students enrolled6 231 CAtholic colleges and universities with a total of 763,757 students7 http://nccbuscc.org/comm/cip.shtml The above doesn't count institutions affiliated with other denominations. And it doesn't consider the numerous charitable causes, orphanages, etc religous organizations in the US run. It is preposterous and intellectually vacant to say that institutions like these are the moral equivalent of Nazis. But that's what your hatred compels you to do.