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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (7583)	1/26/2012 6:45:39 PM
From: sm1th	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

use public transportation. Public transportation is one of the most fiscally irresponsible things govt does. In most public transportation systems fares cover less than 50% of operating costs. Other taxpayres who do not use it subsidize the rest plus all capital costs.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (7583)	1/26/2012 7:15:49 PM
From: grusum	Respond to of 85487

Yessss, and why is that NOT conservative. a better question is how you can possibly think it's fiscally conservative. I would take that money to pay down our national debt - but you see that's the difference between a real fiscal conservative and people like Newt and Romney. real fiscal conservatives are more interested in cutting spending than how to raise taxes. if your household budget is out of control, do you rein in your spending, or do you ask your boss for a raise? do you think he'd give you a big enough raise to cover your spending? sorry, but we've got to cut spending and sell some of our furniture, not ask the boss for a raise. Some how you have to increase revenue* as well as shrink spending.* you can't get blood from a turnip. nor should you try. at this point, raising taxes will lower revenues. Bush promised that his tax cut would raise more money so that the debt would be paid down - well how did that work out? it did raise more money. but we spent it and regulated more of it away. spending has to be cut.. a lot. Increasing gas prices pushes people towards using more economical cars, use public transportation. most people don't like to be pushed. i'm one them. i don't want to take the bus because i can't afford to drive my car. and that's the kind of 'pushing' you're talking about. that's tyranny whether you can see it or not. you might be a nice guy Steve, but you're a tyrant. you're for tyranny. cap'n'tax is also tyranny. It will lesson our dependence on ME oil and make us more efficient. no it won't. These are good things. those things don't happen from raising taxes and gas prices. As a benefit, we move in the right direction on GW and our health. yes, the cap'n'tax boondoggle. Are any of these bad things? it doesn't work the way you think it does. It is penalizing oil companies only if you don't believe in capitalism. i'd love hear the logic behind that one. Capitalism - to be true - has to somehow account for the environmental cost. you're letting your emotional do-gooder do your thinking. people have priorities, with food and shelter at or near the top. pollution is a ways down the list. nobody likes dirty air and water. but poor people in poor countries put up with it, to put food on the table. and low quality food at that. multiple families live in small run down houses. try talking with them about pollution. you'll be lucky if they don't punch you in the mouth. you and i have the luxury to care about pollution because we are wealthier than they are. but your policies would make our wealth decline until we became as poor as they are. then you'll be too busy trying to earn enough for food and shelter to worry about pollution. your pet policies will make the air and water dirtier. your EPA is making the air and water dirtier and the country poorer at the same time it is promoting tyranny. of course you don't see this, nor do you believe it. but if you get your way, you'll eventually see it for yourself.