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To: Joseph Silent who wrote (87107)	2/10/2012 10:08:57 PM
From: Maurice Winn	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218604

Nihilistic nonsense: < Science is a confused baby that does not know its babyness or its confusion. It never will. You see this whenever you see someone prattling with certainty. > You seem to be "prattling with certainty". Just how certain are you that you are right? Science is just action with consciousness. Scientists do something, see what the result is, and see if that matched the theory they developed. Accurate consciousness in action. Action limited to the controlled variables. Maybe you are wrong and consciousness through science is totally right. Or do you not consider that possible because you have absolute certainty in your theory? Which I presume I can test for veracity, or maybe you just have 'the word' and non acolytes are not privy to the mysticism. Just because something is called "science" doesn't mean it is. For example, "The Science" isn't actually science when referring to The Greenhouse Effect. The fact that they measure all sorts of things with "scientific" measuring devices and use computers and maths doesn't make their output "science". Science is related to falsifiability, reproducible experiments, common cognitive observation of those experiments [meaning all observers get the same results]. Mqurice

To: Joseph Silent who wrote (87107)	2/10/2012 11:54:02 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 218604

Very intelligent men created concepts to control people at the neolithic to persuade them to behave in some civilized manner. Those concepts are called religions. Those creations were simplified (to its lowest level) and used to instigate fear of one's action. You do something bad. Something bad will happen to you. After you die you will come back again. And that bad action will haunt you on your new life. Then they had too many people reading to much into the concepts and developed, that simple concept, into a higher, what is the word? a theory that explains everything. I do not read too much into the simple concepts of the past...

To: Joseph Silent who wrote (87107)	2/11/2012 12:06:51 AM
From: Joseph Silent	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218604

For people who may not have understood my reference to science in the message to Elmat ...... this reference has to be viewed in the context of the West --- a society that is conflicted in its need for an angry God and its need to worship the profitable Technology God in its manifestation as Technology. When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, he found the people worshipping Aaron's golden calf. That calf has now turned in Wall Streets Technology Bull, and people the world over are looking for Moses. The above point was a minor point in reference to karma, explaining why the West does not understand karma, in much the same way that Maurice holds on to the word "nihilistic" as a crutch, because he cannot comprehend subject matter that is foreign to his only frame of reference: technology. That is why the entire response targeted a statement on science. Think about this: we have devised elaborate, sophisticated methods in mathematical finance. Why has the Technology God failed all peoples, both "his virtuous victorian ones" as well as the "pagans"? My question is not an attack on science. In fact, not even on its application. After all, I actually am a scientist. :) You may understand that. Or you may not. "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." ---- Albert Einstein. *"Maurice wields Einstein's technology axe." ---- J. Silent* :)