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To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/12/2012 10:28:52 PM
From: Mary Cluney  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 544125
 
<<<Nixon had his problems, >>>

I worked in Manhattan at the time. I have often said, I didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon and I didn't know anyone who knew anyone who voted for Nixon. But, Nixon was a very smart SOB. He went really batty when Impeachment was coming. Compared to current crop of Republicans, Nixon was a giant intellect and a cunning strategic thinker. But come to think of it he was sort of batty even early on.



To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/12/2012 11:00:47 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 544125
 
My persepceitve is different regarding Nixon. I think the full evil that was Nixon must be remembered, just as we must remember Macarthyism and hwo evil it was.

I agree about undue hyperbole, but I hated slavery, and segregation and the holocaust and I think hate for Nixon fits right in there.

As mentioned Henry Steele Commager, one of the greatest historians, felt Nixon was the largest danger our country faced in the last 150 years.

And he was directly respnsible for allowing hundreds of thousands of people killed and Maimed in Viet nam by allowing the war to run on just to win an election.

I don't hate Republicans, they usually don't know better. Can't hate someone for not knowing.

<<But hating him puts us in the in something close to the same place as the reflexive Obama haters elsewhere on SI. Well, maybe not exactly, since as near as I can except for a select few they deny actually hating Obama, but it's sort of a slippery slope.



To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/13/2012 8:23:11 AM
From: Steve Lokness  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 544125
 
See this post is why we need to be able to recommend!

<<<<< I have no idea what the right thing to do is, but rationally, hating right back at them just doesn't seem the right thing to do.>>>>

Your post deserves not only a recommend but a "Strong Recommend". ...........It's like we are stuck in a pendulum that swings further to each side as the two sides get further apart in their ideologies. Smack on on Nixon, conservatives and democrats reaction AND written well.



To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/13/2012 11:02:22 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 544125
 
Good perspective on Nixon. Had not Watergate happened would have graded out with fairly high marks.



To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/13/2012 1:52:50 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 544125
 
" I have no clue how anybody can support the Republican party in its current incarnation, but something around half the voters in the US do, and we have to live with that somehow. "

This totally baffles me as well. How ANYONE can support a party that outright rejects a 10/1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases (on the wealthy, not themselves) is beyond me. Why working (R)'s support their politicians can only make sense to me if ALL those people watch nothing but Fox "news" and are on the left side of the normal curve of intelligence.



To: Win Smith who wrote (182257)2/13/2012 1:59:45 PM
From: Cogito  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 544125
 
I'm with you about Nixon, but the burglary at the hotel was really not the big deal, as we all know. It was the coverup, which involved trying to get the CIA to stop the FBI from investigating the Watergate break-in, conspiring to bribe government officials to keep quiet, etc.

I agree also that hating the Republicans isn't really the right thing to do. I don't hate them. I just think that in almost every area of policy they are flat wrong. When they do have good ideas, the Democrats sometimes realize it. But of course, as soon as the Democrats embrace an idea, the Republicans reflexively reject it.

It's a nasty mess, and there's no denying that.