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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (23129)	2/18/2012 4:58:17 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

More like first they came for the ice box owners No one came for the ice box owners in your example. And that, if I'm going to be stuck with a culturally authoritarian government, what the right would impose is more offputting to me personally than what the left would impose. I think its the other way around. That's not so much about my personal preferences being for right authoritarian over left (although I they might go that way to a limited extent), as much as it is that the right authoritarian voice in the real world, is at least at the moment a spent force, at least in American politics (except maybe in the more extreme anti-terrorist measures, but they are supported by many on the left as well, and there isn't anything specifically conservative or "right-wing" about being against terrorist, or even acting in authoritarian ways to suppress them, left wing authoritarians also do the same). The far left may also be a spent force (but if so to a lesser degree than the far right, communism, even after its spectacular real world collapse) still gets a lot more respect than right wing authoritarianism. Establishing churches isn't even on the radar, banning abortion (which I don't see as authoritarian, but I think you do, and I'm going with it now for the sake of argument) is so mostly in a theoretical way, meanwhile expanding government towards the left wing's vision is practically an every day occurrence, and doing so in ways that restrict individual freedom (in a more direct and extreme way than just say paying higher taxes) is reasonably common. I'd also add that left wing authoritarianism is more and extension of the real world American left's ideas, then right-wing authoritarianism is and extension of conservative ideas. Maybe in 1700s Europe, or current Saudi Arabia, conservatism was about supporting power for the king, the nobility, and the church (whatever the specific church is). in 21st century America it isn't, not even to some lesser degree. In any case there is no authoritarians involved in this debate (except arguably the left), not only because the church isn't trying to impose on others here, but because generally the Catholic church even on other issues isn't all that authoritarian in politics, esp. the church in America, or all the right-wing for that matter, a lot of the church positions and officials in the US are "liberal". To melt it down to a single point, if the Catholic church wins here, it doesn't move things towards a conservative culturally authoritarian government.