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To: r.edwards who wrote (21556)	2/25/2012 6:36:56 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Setting up the strawman that the origin of the mental capacities and the moral sensibilities of humans cannot be explained by natural selection is caused by ignorance & simple minded thinking . There's deep time evolutionary processes that would start slowly after enormous gradual steps with earliest most primitive origins that lead up to the higher vertebrates and larger brained mammals . Seems that there can be seen and many scientists agree that there was an explosion of human consciousness that would include moral & ethical ideas but think for a moment of the historical context of human evolution itself . Its believed that human ancestor's populations remained in very low steady state numbers for the longest time until slowly that advent of tool developement leads finally to successful transition to settlements of agricultural based living . I would be more impressed with Michelangelo painting the Chapel with good old father God reaching out & handing Adam a plow , shovel or fishing net but i think that was something that rose gradually from the earliest tool making from what was immediately present in the environment . This would be sticks & stones , why we look back seeing the ages divided up into the materials of Stone , Copper, Bronze & Iron ages . Man is discovering how to mine & manipulate the elements to enhance tools & tool making applied to this new found means & modes of living . One doesn;t need a divine agent to motivate a creature to eventually migrate from smelly smoke filled caves with rotting left overs & marauding carnivores , to nice hut settlements down by the river ! ;o) Just that journey from earliest naked ancestor scavenger/browsers up to earliest based semi agrarian settlements , we are talking several million years . Just the invention of human speech can be seen arising out of needs of the coordinated hunt but when you jump forward 2mil yrs to planting & harvesting you have covered a huge span of time . Think of the scope of experience of the hunter scavenger human vs the much much later planting crop raising settled human and how much more varied would be the considerations & mental challenges of the latter . The settled human would have developed all kinds of new skill sets from weaving , building dwelling , planting , processing storage , cooking , noting time & the seasons , all engaging the mind in myriad new concepts, ideas in viewing the environment . And these fools with their cartoon minds think that natural selection is a slow process , well it was ...but at a certain point the evolution of ideas explodes especially with rising human experience afforded by the luxury of more time to be the observer with secured food source & stable life . Then later you have increasing populations leading to trade of both goods & ideas further explosions of wisdom or consciousness of mental measured metaphorical thought . The city of Tarsus was 2000yrs old when St Paul entered thru its gates .... man had been around a long long time before some rabbi walked the seashore by Galilea.

To: r.edwards who wrote (21556)	2/25/2012 7:01:46 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 69300

But also there are the migrating tribes with advent of domestication & animal husbandry but from the earliest time human beings & their ancestors would have vast stores of information as to the behaviors with this first fellowship to other species both as food sources & sources of observable experience . Our first religious tendency was to embody worship of animals & use them for totems for there was no God , just us & them in Nature .Heres your first religion unquestionably , the worship/regard (even jealousy/admiration/love ) came from observation of animals both as food source & sustainence but also the first beginnings of an aesthetic , for animals would have been our first teachers in a way , more the eagle attracted the human eye at first than the stars . But in the early stages of human developement in its nakedness , with dangers lurking in the grass or under rock or behind bush , one then would spend little time gazing up at the sky imagining God & Heaven...you would be a little more preoccupied with the bear or wolf or lion that might eat you . A few million years later when finally living in protected settlements there's the time to gaze upwards begin to track movements of heavenly bodies & track time , unravel mysteries of plants & planting , to learn the first basic metallurgy & advanced tool making for building & tilling & weaving etc etc ...then the real explosion of ideas starts . Think of it also as a linguistical explosion to for all the new words must be invented too describe all these new skillsets & subsets . (and the exchanges with other tribes & their ideas begins ) * In Arthur C Clark's 2001 Space Oddysey , believe the Ape/Human that touches the Alien obelisk & gets the bright idea for the first weapon is named Moongazer by no mischance . They can deny it all they want but this was you or i 4-8mil yrs ago. Beauty of Science is that it gives that vast view of things religion can only dream about & try to ascribe to their God , they should really start to listen up good & read more ... say hello to brother Moongazer :o)

To: r.edwards who wrote (21556)	2/25/2012 7:33:49 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Was it the supranatural agency involved with inspiring humans to do the cave paintings of Lascaux 20,000yrs ago ? Still can't get over such beautiful forms, exquisite use of pigmentation , shadings so long ago , this also presents an even separate avenue for the developing mind of man and invention of other technologies employing materials (out of Nature) for a new evolving plethorum of reasons .One see's in this how our mind has expanded to embrace an aesthetic and developed the coordinated skillsets that took a journey of literally millions of years to these more "recent" bronze age beauties . Painted almost in darkness ,almost 20,000yrs old these deep cave galleries contain almost 2000 figures , interestingly not one painting of the reindeer that would have been their primary foodsource .... or to anyone's astonishment not one figure depicting the Angel Gabriel or Aliens was found there .