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Politics : View from the Center and Left -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (184009)	2/29/2012 1:38:03 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541175

Let me say, I appreciate disagreement from someone I can learn from. And that includes most of the posters on this thread. If I have something wrong I want to know it. But I also enjoy working through a good debate to find the logic. <<Koan, I have to disagree. I know the left thinks the right can't debate, and the right thinks the left can't, but the truth is that the two sides don't want the same things, don't put the same construction on things, and both sides mostly look only at the facts they cherish- and they hug those facts, without realizing their are other facts.>> I don't know what facts on the right you are referring to that the right has correct and the left has wrong? The right lives more in the world of myth and script (faith) and it is imposssiblre to defend that against facts and logic e.g. evolution or social science; or the fact 51% of scientist's are liberal, 80% lean Democratic and only 6% call themselves Republcian's. Those two issues alone can cause a train wreck on any right wing thread. How can the right explain those things? <<Take abortion. On one side you have some every sperm is sacred folks, who don't even like contraception. Then you have people who don't like killing "babies" (and who would define even a potential baby, a cluster of cells, as a baby.) Then you have the more reasonable folks who just don't want actual viable fetuses killed- which makes a certain amount of sense if you have an aversion to killing in general. Then on the left you have people uncomfortable with late term abortions, people comfortable with all abortions, and even people who have no problem with irresponsible women using abortion as birth control.>> Abortion first of all has no logical solution. It is a dilemma, so all society can do is make decisions about it. I think the present pro life, pro choice laws represent most on the right and left respectively. Where would the middle be? <<The middle ground folks might be able to hold a conversation, but there is no way to bring the two outlying flanks together. They each "believe" the other side to be horrible. And that is why left or right, it makes no sense to bring the sides together when there is nothing to be gained by hurled positions. We all know what the positions are, and we have all adopted what we are comfortable with.>> "it makes no sense to bring the sides together when there is nothing to be gained by hurled positions. We all know what the are">> My response to that idea would be to point out that people generally move right to left, but not left to right. We can see this clearly among people who get educted, throughout history, the world, and especially in college. Kids who enter college usually leave much more liberal than when they enter and few leave more conservative. The reason is clear. Myth cannot stand up to facts, and script cannot stand up to logic. And facts and logic are what colleges teach, so as one learns the facts and logic they quite often change. Santorum said kids who go to college with faith often leave it without faith. That was one of his primary reasons for dising college. People who go to college without faith leave college without faith.