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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: George S. Montgomery who wrote (13820)	11/24/1997 5:08:00 PM
From: Skipper	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

George, "The essential premises of T/G, underlying their claptrap, are flawed to almost nonexistence." Ok, you've said that "A is A" is crap. Because it is trivial? Is discerning truth from fiction trivial? Now I don't know whom to believe. Maybe Shalom? Skipper

To: George S. Montgomery who wrote (13820)	11/25/1997 2:29:00 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

George, I will just never feel trapped and seduced at the Feelings thread. Not to belabor the point, because I have tried to explain it three times now, but let me try this one more time. I would not want you to think I had been taken advantage of in any way. There has been lighthearded, totally egalitarian banter of a fairly sexual nature going back and forth between Johnny and I for a year-and-a-half. He knows I think he's intriguing, but I am not needy in the relationship department, and he is teasing me in an affectionate way. The point I was making with the comment about my husband's ring size was playful and lighthearted, but I could have just as easily responded that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle, or that there were still plenty of cucumbers left in the cold cellar from the last harvest in my garden!!! So if we are actually going to stand around here and discuss penis size or something, I think it is pretty irrelevant. All women are easily capable of getting all of their sexual needs met very pleasurably and completely without any male participation whatsoever. Some women believe size doesn't really matter, but (not to threaten tender male egos), there are a lot of women who do. (Do you have any comments on this subject, Mephisto?) And incidentally, some women do enjoy pornography!!! What most modern women want, if they want a man, is one who is gentle and considerate and who wants to be an equal partner, in every sense of the word. Since this is the way I feel, I fail to understand how I could then have been taken advantage of in something which is really mostly an old running joke I have with Johnny. I do have a funny joke to tell, which I found in the Sunday newspaper but which originally came from Readers' Digest. The reason I am putting it here is because I think it points out some of the problems when we make too big a deal about being embarrassed about sexual matters: A preacher was asked to give a talk at a local women's health symposium. His wife asked about his topic, but he was too embarrassed to admit that he had been asked to speak about sex. Thinking quickly, he replied, "I'm talking about sailing." "Oh, that's nice," said his wife. The next day at the grocery store, a young woman who had attended the lecture recognized the minister's wife. "That was certainly an excellent talk your husband gave yesterday," she said. "He really has a unique perspective on the subject." Somewhat chagrined, the minister's wife replied, "Gee, funny you should think so. I mean, he's only done it twice. The first time, he threw up, and the second time, his hat blew off."