To: Terry Maloney who wrote (420510 ) 3/14/2012 11:37:24 AM From: Knighty Tin 1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 436258 GS ripping off their clients? Most of the clients I know, institutional, for the most part, have done very well investing with Goldman. As a trader, I was always looking for a firm that could trade size by size, without slobber-knocking the price. Goldman was one of the few who could do it without destroying the market, most of the time. I caught other firms front running my orders and slapped them silly, accordingly, but I never saw that at Goldman. It wasn't the only good firm. I had great executions on equities from Salomon Brothers (before they got caught rigging the govt. bond market), Walsh Greenwood Wish was a major player at one time. Those three firms made my life easy trading at The St. Paul Companies. In the bond market, Goldman was still a major player who helped me trade my ideas. Unfortunately, we had to threaten to sue them over margin problems at the Chicago Merc. The old E.F. Hutton and Paineless Webber executed well for me and actually volunteered to take some of the margin burden off Goldman and keep us out of court. This was at a time when most of the large trading firms understood the P&C Insurance business such as St. Paul, very well, but didn't know squat about mutual funds (they all had mutual fund cos. under their big tent, but the trading studs didn't hang with those guys. <G>) I have had problems with Goldman's political outreach and their analysts (Abby Jo bugs me), but I never felt ripped off dealing with their trading desks. And my performance showed that if I was getting ripped off, my competitors must have been getting a daily mugging. <G> However, I have seen more examples of buy side firms ripping off major brokerage firms than the other way around. The brokerage firms were selling a generic service in some cases (never in what I was trading) and didn't have much brand power. The buy side firms paid the commissions, in size, and seemed to have all the hand in that relationship. My guess is Mr. Smith got canned.