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To: Kashish King who wrote (26119)	11/23/1997 8:48:00 PM
From: Steve Porter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1583868

Rod, Okay, let's see Microsoft release DCOM for Windows 95 less than a month ago (I'm going to take your word for it and not go checking dates, because I do have a life outside of these threads). Hmmm.. using your logic any company that has just released something in the last month isn't serious about it. Jeeze you want concrete and I give you a web site.. how much more concrete do you want.. should I post the entire source code for you?????? I have nothing against Java, _BUT_ I don't buy your "Java will save the world" speaches. Java is just another programming language that's all. Sure you can write an OS in Java, but the same thing that afflicted C++ will afflict Java (especially if SUN doesn't turn it over to a NEUTRAL standards body). When things were written in Cobol, they start to suffer from bloat. When everyone moved to fortran the bloat followed, then C, then C++, now Java.. don't you see the trend. Java won't save us from bloat it will make it worse. Then you have the JIT's and the JVM's.. those will get more and mroe bloated as well. The biggest problem with Java that will cause the bloat is that it is SO tightly tied to UI's. Not that this is (in and of itself) a bad thing. Howevre, being that clsoely coupled with the UI means suffering from the bloat just because someone wanted to add an extension to the language that supported some obscure UI feature. Java has potential, it has weak spots.. but Java will not in the foreseeable future solve either of your gripes (bloat and windows). There are several reasons why it will take a long time for Java to userp Windows: 1) Legacy code base. If you can't support the legacy code base you are going to have problems. For example: PPC vs. x86. Windows NT 3.1 vs DOS. 2) The performance is still crumby. I don't care about JIT's or anything else. 3) No support for true high-end features. I'm talking about 3D etc. here. Sure you can write them, but until the performance comes up ALOT you won't be able to write Java DOOM and have it playable on anything less than a quad 600MHZ alpha 21264. 4) It IMPOSSIBLE to write hardware drives in Java. Therefore Java will always rely on it's JVM. They way it looks now, the JVM just runs on top of Windows.. that's not helping bloat at all, it's making it worse. I could go on for some time here Rod, but I think I'll stop there. Sorry for the insults, but really, look at this thread.. it becomes very difficult not to throw the insults around here. STeve Cyrix RUles!