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To: Triffin who wrote (477400)3/19/2012 2:56:24 PM
From: the_wheel3 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 794001
 
You said "Hydrocarbons would be ubiquitous .. Do the MATH !!"

Well, I did the math, OK? I did not think you did given knees are not a common math term.

Yes I think its funny. Funny, yet interesting. I find it interesting that it involves only multiplication and division. It should be given to 3rd graders as a "math" problem.

<<If the dirty rich 1% people consume 85 million barrels of dirty oil per day, how long before the beloved mother Earth is covered with black soot? or we all die from global warming? For this example, children, you may assume everything else remains constant, OK? >>

Well, I'll stop beating around the bush and get to the point. You said do the math, well I did, now you want me to multiply 1 billion years times .01mm/yr. OK, that comes to 10km over 1,000,000 years.

Notice I chose 10km to make it seem small compared to the 6,378,000m radius of 3rd planet.

But wait, the Earths oceanic crust is 5-10km and the continental crust is 30-50km thick. So 10km of goo is MORE than KNEE-DEEP FER SURE.

But wait, you said to hold all other things constant, OR DID YOU?

Maybe I had to assume ON MY OWN VOLITION that the ecosystem CAN NOT HANDLE .01mm per year or .00001km/yr or whatever and constantly adds .01mm per year, deposited like silt on the river floor.

Well, I damn well wont do it. I would rather think what's going on for real, rather than start with a false premise and run with it to "hide the oil slick (decline)"

I actually thought about this yesterday, that maybe you meant it built up over a long time, although I wasn't sure you meant 1,000,000,000 years, that's a long time to stay static. Crap, stuff doesn't even stand still at all, heck, some folks think oil is made of teeny tiny vibrating strings which are basically made of nothing at all, (it's nothing it just vibrates er do I got that wrong too?), they're called "string theorists", let's ask them where does oil come from?

To be honest, not that I'm not always honest, although I do tend to use hyperbole and irony occasionally, I originally thought that .01mm/yr was quite a lot, because let's face it, it is not spread evenly across the surface, although you might think the 2/3s ocean surface deep as it is might stir up .01mm quite a bit, I know somehow it does take care of the seepage that does occur as you might be aware of if you've walked on the beach in California and got black nasty crap on the soles of your feet, nasty, nasty, nasty stuff, nasty. You say nasty enough it doesn't seem as nasty as it did before, it acutally seems quite pleasant, I guess mores change too. Time heals all things, including oil seepage.

Well, anyway, I thought .01mm was a lot and I wondered where does it go? My first inclination was a romantic notion that perhaps carbon based life forms processed it into something benign? What if black nasty ooze over millenia, magically transformed itself into double helix base green slime and giant reptiles.

<<I was looking for the name of the giant reptiles that predated dinosaurs before a previous major extinction event, where life nearly ceased and I ran across this: [[The term Sauropsida ("lizard faces") has a long history, and hails back to Thomas Henry Huxley, and his opinion that birds had risen from the dinosaurs....In the Hunterian lectures delivered at the Royal College of Surgeons in 1863...]] I thought birds coming from dinosaurs was a relatively new idea?>>

Anyway this whole notion regarding where does the oil go, is moot because first we need to establish where does the oil come from, and honestly, I don't know, I always thought it came from rotting vegetation back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, because that is what I was told, but I had run across this ABIOTIC theory here on SI which I naturally assumed was crackpot given the venue, but upon further review, especially as LB did not seem to summarily dismiss it, seemed quite plausible and deserving of some smidgen of possiblity. However, it has no great interest to me personally, due to it's insignificance in the grand scheme of things, especially if one looks at the nature of light or looks into the nature of life on a small scale like mitochondria or looks at the diversity of life, or looks into the heart of man. These things are much more interesting and tend to confuse and confound me more than what you were talking about. I merely got involved because you said DO THE MATH, and I like math, and I thought why not? I knew you wouldn't like the answer, but I was pretty sure it wasn't knee-deep, but still I thought .01mm is a lot really but I thought heck the ocean could probably handle it or some swamps or sunlight or something fer sure, I think it'd be harder to handle volcanos spewing and such, if the earth really had to handle anything. I guess it's nice that we have the pleasure of leisure time to ponder such things instead of having to smite others to steal their food and wimmen. Instead we have the leisure to just treat each other with petty meanness (I got that from that nice girl Taylor Swift). That's life.

Life is change. How profound. NOT! Change has gotten a bad rep lately.

Life is change not static, well maybe it is a different form of static, a vibrating static, ie background noise, that's the noise of the big band - BOOM!

Have you looked at Andromedea? It's obviously a galaxy, why could they not see that? OK, maybe its not obvious, but surely the Whirlpool is?

Dinosaurs came from birds, really?

Water came from comets? huh?

Gold came from supernova? When?

The container of stuff expands at z~0.5? What?????!!!! (I got that off the internets! Ponder that! if you dare!)

Ponder scum came from nothing...vibrations....thewheel's kitchen sink (I had to throw that in)

Oil comes from BS...tell that to the bull!

Little wheel turns by fire and rod and oil and bs.

Big Wheel turns by the hand of God.

Every time that wheel turns around,

bound to cover just a little more ground.





Picture of a methane lake:

Size comparison of Ligeia Mare with Lake Superior::

en.wikipedia.org



Titanian maria (large hydrocarbon seas) are named after sea monsters in world mythology.[3]

Name Coordinates Diameter (km) Source of name

Kraken Mare 68.0°N 310.0°W 1,170 The Kraken, Norse sea monster.

Ligeia Mare 79.0°N 248.0°W 500 Ligeia, one of the Sirens, Greek monsters

Punga Mare 85.1°N 339.7°W 380 Punga, Maori ancestor of sharks and lizards

en.wikipedia.org

These lakes were formed from rotting vegetation and dinosaur bones which subsequenly seeped up from the ground at the rate of one knee per standard measurement period.

Between July 2004 and June 2005, new dark features appeared in Arrakis Planitia, a low plain in Titan's south polar region. These are interpreted as new bodies of liquid hydrocarbon resulting from precipitation from the clouds observed in the area in October 2004.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Arrakis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got an idea ! Just imagine that over one billion years oil seeps up on average .01mm/year. Now imagine if that is enough to cause any effect on the cycles of life, plate tectonics, volcanos, asteroid impacts, rock formation, oil shale, evolution, etc. How much carbon is on the earth? How is it transmuted over long periods?




To: Triffin who wrote (477400)3/19/2012 3:35:28 PM
From: KLP1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 794001
 
Speaking of nature --- this weekend, we watched History 2 channel's Sahara Desert program.....I can NOT see how ANYONE who sees this program can think that man has caused Global Climate Change.....It simply is not possible to come to any such conclusion.

They now have much evidence that the Sahara was once water!! And even today, with modern radar and other instruments, have found enormous reservoir of under ground water throughout that entire area! If you get a chance to see this program of a few years ago, it really will open your eyes to the awesome power of the Universe and our own Sun. Man certainly did NOT do any of this....as you will see.

Sahara Premiere Date: 12/15/2009

AAA
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      Africa's Sahara Desert is the size of the United States, making it the largest desert in the world. It's also the hottest place on the planet. But now an astonishing series of geological discoveries has revealed this searing wasteland hides a dramatically different past. Scientists have unearthed the fossils of whales, freshwater shells and even ancient human settlements. All clues to a story that would alter the course of human evolution and culminate in biggest climate change event of the last 10,000 years. TVPG




    • To: Triffin who wrote (477400)3/19/2012 5:06:39 PM
      From: the_wheel1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 794001
       
      <<Let's assume you can multiply one billion times your small number and come up with a big number>>

      OK lets not. This an amateurish trick.

      OK you actually think I can take your word that it is OK to sum up .01mm per annum for one billion years.

      You know I can not do that. I don't understand how you can.

      Unless you are just trying to bs me like I'm a big dummy.

      Let's assume I go out and spit in the yard. Let's assume I do that every year for one billion years. Don't you know we'd be drowning in spit? LOL

      Lets assume we argue every day for one billion years about bs. Therefore the world is full of bs.