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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (13546)	3/24/2012 11:06:59 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 85487

I don't know about that, with geo engineering we need one world gov. can't geo in just one place. we need a world ruler for this, I say Obama or Koan

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (13546)	3/24/2012 11:08:52 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

"I will not hold my breath waiting" Me neither; it's the last resort, a final act of desperation. Pretty hard to titrate. I like the little space screens... we can always nuke them if things get too cold. Also, none of this helps with ocean pH changes Oceans Acidifying Fastest in 300 Million Years Due to Emissions By Alex Morales - Mar 2, 2012 3:43 AM PT Oceans absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, changing their pH and endangering marine life. Photograph: Justin Borucki/Image Source The Earth’s oceans may be acidifying faster than at any point during the last 300 million years due to industrial emissions, endangering marine life from oysters and reefs to sea-going salmon, researchers said. The scientists found surging levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere forced down the pH of the ocean by 0.1 unit in the last century, 10 times faster than the closest historical comparison from 56 million years ago, New York’s Columbia University, which led the research, said yesterday in a statement. The seas absorb CO2 from the atmosphere, forming carbonic acid. The lower the pH level in the seas, the more acidic they are. Past instances of ocean acidification have been linked with mass extinctions of marine creatures so the current one could also threaten important species, according to Baerbel Hoenisch, the paleoceanographer at Columbia who was lead author of the paper that appeared in the journal Science. “If industrial carbon emissions continue at the current pace, we may lose organisms we care about -- coral reefs, oysters, salmon,” Hoenisch said. The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has said ocean pH may fall another 0.3 units this century, according to Columbia. The closest change to the current pace occurred during the so-called Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum about 56 million years ago, when a doubling of the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide may have pushed pH levels down by 0.45 units over 20,000 years, according to the researchers. Fossil Records Then, fossil records indicate as many as half of all species of seabed-dwelling single-celled creatures called benthic foraminifers went extinct, suggesting species higher up the food chain may also have died out, they said. The scientists used fossil records including the preservation of calcium carbonate in ocean sediments and the concentrations of various elements to reconstruct past ocean conditions. Two other mass extinctions about 200 million years and 252 million years ago may also be linked to acidification, though there’s less fossil evidence, according to the study. “Although similarities exist, no past event perfectly parallels future projections in terms of disrupting the balance of ocean carbonate chemistry -- a consequence of the unprecedented rapidity of CO2 release currently taking place,”the researchers wrote. Researchers based in the U.S., U.K., Netherlands, Germanyand Spain contributed to the study, which was funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation. bloomberg.com

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (13546)	3/24/2012 11:18:04 AM
From: Logain Ablar	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Bob: The world have been warming since the last Ice Age peaked and the alarmists ignore without warmer temperatures less food would be produced so more of the "poor and disadvantaged" would starve. All they need to do is look back to the medieval mini ice age. They ignore the slaves they are creating via the fiscal policies they support and encourage (Kenysian economics) or all the unintended negative consequences when they insist social programs to be "free", with free being someone else pays. I leared long ago nothing is etched in stone and my positon may not be correct and one must know when to adapt (I'm not sure if I ever have the timing down on that). The environment wacko's think it is their way or the high way. Tim