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To: koan who wrote (13645)	3/25/2012 3:55:48 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

bad spin Koan, try again

To: koan who wrote (13645)	3/25/2012 7:21:12 PM
From: sm1th	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Bush started it by allowing torture, rendition and killing people by executive action. Even if that is true, how does it excuse Obama's expansion of it? Bush is automatically guilty because he is a R while Obama is automatically innocent because he is a D?

To: koan who wrote (13645)	3/25/2012 7:35:34 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

Clinton/Gore started rendition: ... "extraordinary renditions", were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgement of the host government.... The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: Lloyd says this. Dick says that. Gore laughed and said, "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass." Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies p. 143-144