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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (185965)3/26/2012 6:52:23 PM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 542907
 
A big rec for that post, Mary. (eom)



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (185965)3/26/2012 7:17:55 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542907
 
He's the true Raygun Republican in the race. All the others are well to Raygun's right, except for Willard, who is everywhere.

CNN's Don Lemon: 'Is Obama More Conservative Than Most People Think?'
By Matt Hadro | August 08, 2011 | 14:46

CNN's Don Lemon asked a guest Sunday if President Obama is "more conservative" than most would believe. Lemon referred back to his question last week, which NewsBusters reported, when he asked a Democrat congressman if Obama would do better running as a conservative in 2012.

The CNN anchor claimed he was being facetious then, but jovially added "Someone took that seriously." Then, quoting a columnist who argues Obama is a closet moderate-conservative, he posed the question to guest Heather McGhee from Demos.org: "Is Obama more conservative than most people think?"

[Video below the break.]

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Lemon had quoted from a piece by Fiscal Times columnist Bruce Bartlett, who argued that Obama has "always been moderately conservative" since the beginning of the 2008 campaign. Bartlett, sounding like a despairing liberal, wrote that Obama's being "moderately conservative" has been "obvious" to liberals ever since Obama ran for the White House.

Whether Lemon meant what he asked, or was simply trying to stir the pot with a provocative question, guest Heather McGhee responded in the affirmative. "I think definitely," she said of Obama being more conservative than most believe, "certainly more conservative than Republicans sort of like to paint him."

McGhee noted that President Obama wanted to reform the tax code without raising corporate taxes, "a pretty conservative position." She added that conservatives won't pay attention to that because they want him to fail more than they want to see the economy recover.

A transcript of the segment, which aired on August 7 at 6:29 p.m. EDT, is as follows:

DON LEMON: I want move on and ask you guys about this real quickly here. I want to read this quote from an article by Bruce Bartlett from the Fiscal Times. It's called "Obama the Covert Conservative Liberals Have to Love." Okay, so here's what it says. It says "In a recent article, I argued that Barack Obama has a practice – in practice governed as a moderate conservative. The truth is that Obama has always been moderately conservative, a fact that has been obvious to liberals dating back to the beginning of 2008, of the 2008 campaign."

Okay. So someone – when I said to a Democratic congressman last week, because of what happened with this debt ceiling, should Obama run as a conservative in 2012, I was being a little bit facetious there. Someone took that seriously. Heather, do you agree that, with what Mr. Bartlett said? Is Obama more conservative than most people think?

HEATHER MCGHEE, Washington director, Demos.org: I think definitely, certainly more conservative than the Republicans sort of like to paint him as. Look, if you look at where he is on, for example, corporate taxes. Corporate taxes are at their lowest share of the economy than they have been in generations. And he actually wants to reform the tax code but not raise any more money from corporations. That's a pretty conservative position.

LEMON: Okay.

MCGHEE: But this is the problem, is that he's never going to get any credit from that, from conservatives because, you know, they're really very focused on wanting him to fail more than they are wanting the economy and working families to succeed. It's really quite shocking to watch.

LEMON: Will, I would let you respond to that, but unfortunately we're out of time. So don't be mad at me, my friend

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/08/08/cnns-don-lemon-obama-more-conservative-most-people-think#ixzz1qGeveUGi



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (185965)3/26/2012 9:56:50 PM
From: koan  Respond to of 542907
 
Liberals will vote for Obama in 2012 and are very aware of how dangerous the right wing is. But liberals have a complusion to tell the truth. Truth is almost as important as humanism.

The truth is:

Obama campaigned on the left and governed from the right and is why we lost so badly on 2010. Everyone knows Obama has not governed how he campaigned.

It was open knowledge his plan was to move to the center to position himself for the next election. Gibb's, Obama and Rahm told liberals to quit whining. Liberals held their tongue for a long time until it could be held no longer.

It was not until the debt ceiling debacle when the Congressional Black Caucus and the liberals openly chastised Obama for capitulating too often to the right wing, that he returned to his populist message; at which time his poll numbers started to rise. As the liberals told him would happen.

Obama had to be way out of line for the liberals and Congressional Black Caucus to chastise him publicly.

And Bill clinton to publicly tell him to raise the debt ceiling by exectuive action. Publicly?

We liberals will work hard to elect Obama, but we will not drink the cool aid. We don't do that.



<<How about Obama just being a very smart guy trying to make this world a better and safer place to live and giving voice to millions of Americans with little or no hope a possibility for some access to better access to health care and perhaps giving their children a chance for better educational opportunities to get a decent job.

Undermining Obama is your right. Helping elect one of your other Republicans is real smart.



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (185965)3/27/2012 1:12:49 AM
From: No Mo Mo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542907
 
I don't know Obama and don't claim to have sufficient insight to categorize him. I do know that I am repeatedly dismayed at policies coming from his office. Disagreeing with some of the decisions he's made does not make a person delusional - especially when the disagreement is based on actual facts.

Is it really necessary, especially after this primary season (and 8 years of Bush/Cheney), to conflate any criticism of President Obama as support for Republicans?

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MONDAY, MAR 26, 2012 7:23 AM PDT

Obama takes Bush’s secrecy games one step further

BY GLENN GREENWALD


(Credit: AP Photo/ Haraz N. Ghanbari)

(updated below)

The ACLU is suing the Obama administration under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), seeking to force disclosure of the guidelines used by Obama officials to select which human beings (both U.S. citizens and foreign nationals) will have their lives ended by the CIA’s drone attacks (“In particular,” the group explains, the FOIA request “seeks to find out when, where and against whom drone strikes can be authorized, and how the United States ensures compliance with international laws relating to extrajudicial killing”). The Obama administration has not only refused to provide any of that information, but worse, the CIA is insisting to federal courts that it cannot even confirm or deny the existence of a drone program at all without seriously damaging national security; from the CIA’s brief in response to the ACLU lawsuit:


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What makes this so appalling is not merely that the Obama administration demands the right to kill whomever it wants without having to account to anyone for its actions, choices or even claimed legal authorities, though that’s obviously bad enough (as I wrote when the ACLU lawsuit was commenced: “from a certain perspective, there’s really only one point worth making about all of this: if you think about it, it is warped beyond belief that the ACLU has to sue the U.S. Government in order to force it to disclose its claimed legal and factual bases for assassinating U.S. citizens without charges, trial or due process of any kind”). What makes it so much worse is how blatantly, insultingly false is its claim that it cannot confirm or deny the CIA drone program without damaging national security.

Numerous Obama officials — including the President himself and the CIA Director — have repeatedly boasted in public about this very program. Obama recently hailed the CIA drone program by claiming that “we are very careful in terms of how it’s been applied,” and added that it is “a targeted, focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists, who are trying to go in and harm Americans, hit American facilities, American bases and so on.” Obama has told playful jokes about the same drone program. Former CIA Director and current Defense Secretary Leon Panetta also likes to tell cute little jokes about CIA Predator drones, and then proclaimed in December that the drone program has “been very effective at undermining al Qaeda and their ability to plan those kinds of attacks.” Just two weeks ago, Attorney General Eric Holder gave a speech purporting to legally justify these same drone attacks.

So Obama officials are eager to publicly tout the supposed benefits of the CIA’s drone programs in order to generate political gain for the President: to make him look like some sort of Tough, Brave Warrior single-handedly vanquishing Al Qaeda. The President himself boasts about how tightly controlled, precise and effective the CIA drones are. Everyone in the world knows the CIA has a drone program. It is openly discussed everywhere, certainly including the multiple Muslim countries where the drones routinely create piles of corpses, and by top U.S. Government officials themselves.

But then when it comes time to test the accuracy of their public claims by requesting the most basic information about what is done and how execution targets are selected, and when it comes time to ask courts to adjudicate its legality, then suddenly National Security imperatives prevent the government even from confirming or denying the existence of the program: the very same program they’ve been publicly boasting and joking about. As the ACLU’s Jameel Jaffer put it after Obama publicly defended the program: “At this point,the only consequence of pretending that it’s a secret program is that the courts don’t play a role in overseeing it” – that, and ensuring that any facts that contradict these public claims remain concealed.

This is why the U.S. Government’s fixation on secrecy — worse than ever under the Obama administration, as evidenced by its unprecedented war on whistleblowers — is so pernicious. It not only enables government officials to operate in the dark, which inevitably ensures vast (though undiscovered) abuses of power. Worse, it enables the government to aggressively propagandize the citizenry without challenge: Obama officials are free to make all sorts of claims about how great and targeted the drone program is and how it Keeps Us Safe™, while simultaneously suppressing any official evidence or information that would test those claims and/or contradict them (even as some evidence suggests these assurances are false).

Worse still, it literally removes our highest political officials from the rule of law. The sole purpose of these vast claims of secrecy around the drone program — the absurd notion that they cannot even confirm or deny its existence without harming National Security — is to block courts from reviewing the legality of what they’re doing, which is another way of saying: they have removed themselves from the rule of law. Even Bush DOJ lawyer Jack Goldsmith, a vociferous advocate of executive authority and secrecy powers, understands how abusive this is:

First, it is wrong . . . for the government to maintain technical covertness but then engage in continuous leaks, attributed to government officials, of many (self-serving) details about the covert operations and their legal justifications. It is wrong because it is illegal. It is wrong because it damages (though perhaps not destroys) the diplomatic and related goals of covertness. And it is wrong because the Executive branch seems to be trying to have its cake (not talking about the program openly in order to serve diplomatic interests and perhaps deflect scrutiny) and eat it too (leaking promiscuously to get credit for the operation and to portray it as lawful).

Indeed, one of the worst abuses of the lawless Bush presidency was that Bush officials repeatedly invoked secrecy powers (the State Secret privilege) to shield their most controversial and lawless programs from judicial review: warrantless eavesdropping, rendition, and torture. One of the earliest alarms about what the Obama presidency would be was when the Obama DOJ told courts early in 2009 that it would continue to assert those same radical secrecy claims: thus telling courts that the very programs which candidate Obama long denounced as illegal were now such vital State Secrets that courts must not risk their disclosure by adjudicating their legality. Beyond Obama’s decree that the DOJ must not investigate Bush-era crimes, that was the instrument used by Obama to shield Bush’s criminal policies from judicial challenge: through Kafkaesque claims of secrecy whereby programs that everyone in the world knows exist were Too Secret even to let courts examine. In sum, there is only one place in the entire world where these policies of warrantless eavesdropping, rendition, torture, and CIA drones cannot be discussed: in American courts, when it’s time to review their legality and/or allow its victims to vindicate their legal rights.

Now, in this ACLU/FOIA case, the Obama administration is taking these warped secrecy games one step further. They boast publicly about the programs to lavish themselves with praise, only to turn around once they’re sued in court and insist that the programs are too secret even to acknowledge. So extreme is the fixation on secrecy from the Most Transparent Administration Ever™ that they are routinely reduced to this type of self-parody; behold how they are insisting in response to a separate FOIA lawsuit from The New York Times that they cannot even confirm or deny the existence of the OLC memo which authorized the assassination of Anwar Awlaki — even though the NYT reportedon its contents. More amazingly still, the Obama administration continues to insist that they cannot confirm or deny the memo’s existence even after Eric Holder talks about the memo in a Senate hearing.

This would be laughable if it were not so destructive. It results in the government’s most consequential actions being completely shielded not only from public scrutiny, but also from the rule of law. It enables the most powerful political officials to inculcate the public with claims about their actions while preventing any form of checks and suppressing any contrary information. It literally means that the Obama administration is able to conduct multiple secret wars around the world, ones conducted by drone attacks, the very existence of which they refuse to acknowledge. And it is yet another way the Obama presidency is cementing the worst abuses of the Bush presidency: the very same ones he so inspirationally vowed to reverse.



UPDATE: Just this weekend, The Washington Post published a lengthy, glowing profile of the anonymous CIA official who oversees the CIA drone program. We learned how the drone program has slain countless Al Qaeda leaders with such precision and force: the same program the Obama administration insists cannot be acknowledged without seriously harming national security. Given that claim, will the anonymous officials who enabled this hagiography by talking to the Post about this glorious official and all that the drone program has accomplished be prosecuted under espionage statutes? Yes, that question is rhetorical, and further highlights how severely secrecy powers are manipulated and exploited by this administration.



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (185965)3/27/2012 9:00:32 AM
From: Suma  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542907
 
I listen as you know to a Progressive Radio station supported by Reader's donations. It's on WIFI radio. Mike Malloy is the host. He echoed what you are saying Mary. No matter what objections you have of Obama we have to support and vote for him. So hold your nose and vote straight Democratic. Compared to what the Republicans have put out there to lead us you will be doing the world a big favor.