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To: hdl who wrote (186031)3/27/2012 1:43:07 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541957
 
You seem intent on presenting only one side of the evidence - a form of LYING. Why did Zimmerman pursue the kid in a car, against the advice from the 911 operator? He could have gone home and let the police deal with it, as he was TOLD to do. If he had, the kid would be alive today.
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Ben Crump, a Martin family attorney, told NBC News that Sonner was "blaming the victim."

"Its real simple, if George Zimmerman had done what a neighborhood watchman is supposed to do -- watch -- Trayvon Martin would be alive today," he added.

"Trayvon Martin does not have to identify himself to a stranger," he noted. "George Zimmerman never identified who he was to Trayvon." "If he (Zimmerman) doesn't get out of the car ... if he doesn't act as if he's the police, none of this happens."
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(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.

It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.
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Zimmerman’s Other 911 Calls

11 CommentsPosted by Chuck Rudd on 03/22/2012

Addendum: A good piece by Julian Sanchez arguing that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin based upon a different knowledge set than the one Martin would have had. In econ jargon – asymmetric information. The main takeaway – and my argument that follows – is that these are real-time exchanges based upon faulty premises, bad information, and bias.

In yesterday’s post about George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin I wondered if we might learn something about Zimmerman’s supposed racism by listening to other 911 calls he’s made in the past. Sure enough, theOrlando Sentinel has a small collection of such recordings.

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The Orlando Sentinel tacitly helps foster this interpretation. They present 5 or 6 of Zimmerman’s previous 911 calls reporting suspicious “black” individuals, but the important information to know at this point is whether Zimmerman called in to 911 only when he spotted blacks in his neighborhood. What are the demographics of his 911 calls? If he has called in for Hispanics and whites who he thinks look suspicious, then that might change the argument.

In the captions that the Sentinel provides, they scare-quote Zimmerman’s racial descriptions of the people he reports to the police. By doing so, the Sentinel is suggesting that Zimmerman uses the word “black” gratuitously. If such a description were gratuitous the case could be made that Zimmerman was focused on the blackness of the suspects rather than their behavior. But in the calls presented by the Sentinel, Zimmerman only responds “black” when the 911 dispatcher asks him about the race of the suspects. They invariably ask “white, black, or Hispanic,” and Zimmerman responds. Otherwise he uses the words “youth”, “gentlemen”, and “guy” to describe the people he deems suspicious.

Which brings us back to the supposed use of the phrase “fucking coon” to describe Trayvon Martin. At the beginning of the eerie 911 call, Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that Martin “looks black”. This is not a perfect exoneration of Zimmerman on the racism question, but it indicates that his instinct (as off-kilter as they are) was to look for suspicious behavior first rather than blackness. Other than that, “fucking coon” is out of sync with the rest of Zimmerman’s calls. One hears a great deal of paranoia and attention to detail in Zimmerman’s calls – he gives detailed instructions to the dispatcher to give to the police on where to possibly look for these fleeing suspects; struck me as way over the top – but none of the racism that supposedly fueled him. He uses no other racial epithets in that sample of calls to describe the blacks he’s reporting to police. Containing the fallout from this snippet of the story is important because if there is no analysis of it, the narrative will get swept away and cement the “overt racist” angle in place. Zimmerman is a piece of shit, but not for that exact reason.

The next question: was Zimmerman’s paranoia justified? Obviously, his pursuit of Martin is in no way justified, but what of the emotion that compelled his ill-conceived chase? Sanford, Florida does have a relatively high burglary/theft/robbery rate. The town’s property crime index is 2.3 times higher than the national average. On several calls to 911, Zimmerman makes it clear that his neighborhood had been recently burglarized. And Orlando, Florida – the metro area of which Sanford is a part – is the third most crime-ridden city in the U.S. Sanford itself has a relatively high crime rate for the rest of the country, the rest of the state, and for the metro Orlando area.