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To: epicure who wrote (186231)	3/29/2012 10:44:41 AM
From: No Mo Mo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542788

You're making me dizzy with the circles. We agree, Republicans are more regressive. In my lifetime they started from a more regressive place and have been devolving at a breathtaking pace. We agree, our voices, without the leverage of large money, probably make no difference. This conversation began b/c you responded to me saying that a post by me critical of Obama's policies strengthened Republicans. Since then we keep going back and forth about how criticism is, at the same time, harmful and futile. Which is it? I didn't ask you to protest. I didn't ask you to do anything. If anything, you seem to have been suggesting that I should keep my opinions to myself, which is an ironic position for a thread moderator. Message 28040718 "You can criticize obama all you want, but don't kid yourself, criticizing Obama only strengthens republicans- just as all their internal strife, and internal criticism, strengthens Democrats. The time to criticize Obama (not that it will do a damn thing) is after he gets reelected- if you don't want to help the republicans." Message 28043674 "You didn't really read my post. What I said was that during a critical ELECTION, I don't see the point in criticizing my guy"

To: epicure who wrote (186231)	3/29/2012 11:11:53 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542788

Democracy? <<<< I saw how much good "speaking out" did at the beginning of the Iraq war. That cured me of the idea that this is a democracy, and that the voice of "the people" matters>>>>> Polls were of course all over the place just before the war - but generally a case can be made that they all supported invasion. As one against the Iraq war from the start - that's how I remember it. There just was just not much support for doing nothing. Ron Paul of course, but he was a lone voice. I blame the gullible public - democracy - for the war. The Neocons are still pounding the table for invading Iran now. Obama's policy is little different from the candidates on this. There is a way to make a persons voice heard if you think this is wrong - but it means voting for Ron Paul. ....... May of 03; A Gallup poll made on behalf of CNN and USA Today concluded that 79% of Americans thought the Iraq War was justified, with or without conclusive evidence of illegal weapon en.wikipedia.org