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To: koan who wrote (14266)	4/1/2012 11:39:34 PM
From: TopCat	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

"They tried under Bush to privatize it. The Ryan plan phases out medicare for vouchers which everyone knows will not do the job for old people. The trick they use is saying people with it now are Ok, but future generations will be phased out. You know that. The right wing has been attacking medicare and SS for a long time. They hate both programs." They don't hate the programs, they're trying to fix them. What are liberals proposing?

To: koan who wrote (14266)	4/1/2012 11:45:17 PM
From: Farmboy	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

You are falling for the media's portrayal of what the majority of conservatives think ... which you know as well as I, is nothing but media hyperbole ... ".....which everyone knows will not do the job for old people..." How do you know they wouldn't do the job? You think "old people" are too stupid to figure out how to use them? koan ........... use your brain, and stop allowing the media and the DNC to tell you how.

To: koan who wrote (14266)	4/2/2012 10:41:56 AM
From: sm1th	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

vouchers which everyone knows will not do the job for old people. Another unfounded generalization. Provide some factual analysis of the Ryan plan. Also explain how the current system can be funded without reducing benefits.

To: koan who wrote (14266)	4/2/2012 11:15:26 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 85487

"Before and after Social Security", does not equal "change made because of Social Security". Other things have changed as well. Sure Social Security has made a difference, but you can't reasonably assume that every positive change for a group that happens after a government program for them, happened because of that government program. (Something you unreasonably do again and again about different government programs, and about unions.) We are a richer country now, and even with Social Security, more people have private retirement investments. Also "before Social Security" means "during the great depression", so the comparison starts from an elevated poverty rate. As for Medicare vouchers they will likely bring some degree of cost containment which is necessary for the survival of the program.