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Pastimes : Plastics to Oil - Pyrolysis and Secret Catalysts and Alterna -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steady_on who wrote (22002)	4/7/2012 9:19:45 PM
From: scion	Respond to of 53574

Hal Pierce... He did say that the permit process was by far the most difficult of any permit that he has worked on in the 30+ years he has been involved with permitting. Message 27936188 To: Steady_on who wrote (18542) 2/8/2012 2:31:00 PM From: SteveF of 22004 "Islechem is handling JBI's permitting. I was advised by Mark Hans that Hal Pierce is managing permits for JBI. Hal Pierce is an executive of the Air and Waste Management Association of Niagara, and a former Occidental Chemical Environmental Manager. His experience proves he knows permits." By the way, do remember the original reason given for JBI "engaging" Islechem in Dec. 2009? "IsleChem was engaged by the Company on December 9, 2009 to verify the Company’s Plastic2Oil process. During 40 runs of tests, IsleChem was able to isolate the conditions that allowed the process to run optimally and provide engineering support to gather data to apply for a NYDEC air permit. IsleChem verified our Plastic2Oil process is scalable and repeatable." sec.gov Any idea how much Islechem was paid for the next 8-12 months if the DEC consulted with JB for free? Why did the draft permits require detailed plans submitted by a Professional Engineer on JBII's behalf if they were providing that service? At best your theory only exposes Islechem and JBII's PE-for-hire as two more entities paid with your money to perform services that were seemingly not adequately performed. Kidd, Vazquez, Weber, Shoemaker, Kaplanis, Seneca, Colin Robbins, Steve Zervas, the Pak-It infomercial firm, the professional film crew working the 2011 AGM - and probably a dozen more I'm forgetting - have all cheated Honest John and his loyal shareholders out of MILLIONS of dollars, yet he won't even do anything about that! terryels Monday, November 29, 2010 11:15:22 PM Re: the big guy post# 79070 Post # of 164285 It is common sense that a business understand it's permitting requirements before they start operations....It appears as if JBI dis not understand and plan for full permitting. Islechem is handling JBI's permitting. I was advised by Mark Hans that Hal Pierce is managing permits for JBI. Hal Pierce is an executive of the Air and Waste Management Association of Niagara, and a former Occidental Chemical Environmental Manager. His experience proves he knows permits. siliconinvestor.com

To: Steady_on who wrote (22002)	4/7/2012 9:34:43 PM
From: PaperProphet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 53574

So, based on what you were told, you would think it black magic or balderdash if I told you pyrolysis without any catalyst would also make much smaller carbon chains...or if I told you refineries routinely crack longer chains of crude oil into shorter chains. After all, the person with whom you spoke was "amazed." So again, why are you unwilling to ask Mr. Bordynuik about what remains to be done before a processor can be placed into continuous and profitable operation? Or what is your reasoning in believing processor #2 is already in continuous operation?

To: Steady_on who wrote (22002)	4/7/2012 9:38:57 PM
From: arvitar	Respond to of 53574

Read this very carefully, word for word, and think about what it means before you respond. The only important issue is whether IsleChem, or anyone else in the world, did what is required to properly test whether Bordynuik is telling the truth or lying about the remarkable properties of his catalyst. This would require IsleChem, or some other independent expert, taking a sample of Bordynuik's catalyst, and comparing its efficiency to any of the standard catalysts used by others in the industry, where all catalysts are tested under identical conditions, in a blinded fashion, with both positive and negative controls This is standard protocol, and is necessary for valid lab testing. Let me explain what this means: - A positive control, in this case, would be one or more catalysts whose efficiencies are already well characterized. This positive control is required to establish whether or not the lab and its methods actually yield valid results for a catalyst whose properties are already known. - A negative control would be some inert substance that would have no effect on the chemical reaction involved in converting plastic to oil. The purpose of the negative control is to check for experimenter bias and proper methodology. - Doing this in a blinded fashion means that the tester and person doing the data analysis are provided samples to test, and the data from those tests to analyze, without knowing which one is Bordynuik's catalyst, which are the positive controls, and which are the negative controls. The laboratory tests and all data analysis is completed without the person doing the work knowing which is which. This is done for the following reason: it is well known that experimenter bias can dramatically influence the results, even when the testing is done by the best intentioned and most highly trained scientists. If Bordynuik is telling the truth about the special properties of his catalyst, then IsleChem (or anyone else) should find that Bordynuik's 1970 magic catalyst, performs at least 10X better than any existing modern catalyst, when tested under blinded conditions. Since correct and meaningful validation of Bordynuik's catalyst, as described above, has never been claimed to have been done by anyone, there exists no evidence that Bordynuik has a catalyst with the claimed properties.