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To: LindyBill who wrote (482041)	4/11/2012 9:57:47 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794184

Do you think people are listening to us?

To: LindyBill who wrote (482041)	4/11/2012 10:01:14 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794184

i 'credit' obama derangement syndrome.... those of us who want a reasoned and calm, cool and collected candidate get chided for not wanting to see a bomb thrower (like allen west or a gingrich) on the republican ticket.... i've argued for months that the republicans will assuredly LOSE with that position... you got no negative response from me....i thought you were entirely correct, and the sooner the far right wing 'gets over it' and uses some tactical intelligence in going against the left, the better

To: LindyBill who wrote (482041)	4/12/2012 12:38:29 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Respond to of 794184

That whole process is quite interesting Lindy. < What happens in a group like ours is that we get desensitized to the positions we are taking and get further and further to the Right. The "pile on" here is something to read, if you were an outsider looking in. It has gotten to the point that we seem to be trying to see how much nastier we can get than the next person. I wish we could all back off a little and see what we sound like. > It's a very self-destructive process which is very hard to avoid. It leads to all the worst outcomes, such as crowds shouting Seig Heil and goose-stepping to what they think will be glory. Nature is a harsh task master and does not allow such easy success as group-think and tribal identity. That's why people recuse themselves when their children or other related parties are involved in their professional deliberations; it's so well known that good judgment is defenestrated [great word meaning thrown out the window]. The CO2 crowd have gone like that too. Reasoning has been largely abandoned and they are cutting to the chase and their demand for blunt power with blunt instruments such as clubs, guns and prisons to get their way. I have always valued my outside approach to things as it helps me remain objective. It comes naturally too so it's fairly easy. With investing, it's dangerous to get into group-think and there's no bell they ring to warn you of your seduction. Humans being such frantic identity seekers and tribal pecking order supplicants are easily swayed into joining up with some group and ending up like Heaven's Gate - wearing Nike shoes and taking off to the space ship by Hale Bopp, Jim Jones, David Koresh, in Mao's maelstrom, or looking for non-existent MAD weapons in Iraq, having taken the obvious bait. "Getting in with a bad crowd" is really easy. It's our default setting. And WE ourselves are "the bad crowd". Blaming others for what we do is fatal for ourselves. How far we are from Atlas Shrugged ideals shows how far the group-think has gone. Decades ago, I was a member of the United Nations Association. Even then, I realized that there I was promoting something which I would end up opposing and some wet behind the ears newbie would be lecturing me to get with the programme. Sure enough. Bloody Helen Clark has joined up to the UN after turning NZ into a Socialist Paradise with debts going through the roof, no visible means of support and the population fleeing to Oz while bludgers take over. Same with environmental issues. I was an environmentalist as a child and for decades and still am. But that doesn't mean any Loony Liberal Left ignorant anti-development idea with "the environment" as a fig leaf is attractive. Now I'm apparently "anti-environment and anti-science" because I think CO2 is a good thing rather than bad thing [at 450 parts per million anyway, though perpetual increases would not be good, probably]. Let's all join "The Outsiders" group. No, wait. That won't work. We need some insiders to be outside. Where's Goedel and that self-referential stuff? Mqurice