To: Solon who wrote (24697 ) 4/19/2012 3:39:57 AM From: one_less 1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 "On the one hand the substance of our being cannot be denied as a definitive set of conditions. On the other hand the infinitive reach or our being is also undeniable. Were we to agree on that much we would at least have a starting point in productive discussion." >>>Rather vague. If you can be more definitive, you could have a discussion. I know what you are pointing at but your evasive language speaks for itself... The substance of our being: That we are beings is generally taken for granted. Most don't give much thought to what beingness means but we have also gone to great lengths to define our condition in order to offer substantiation, in spite of the obvious. The infinitive reach of our being: Through logical thought and extensive study we identify extensions of our being (values, relatedness, history, expectation, evolution, what is and is not, etc), which is not to say we invent or create those extensions but we do define them. As our awareness grows so does our definition. In thinking about the extension of our being we become educated and bring a unity of being and the available collection of thoughts and ideas, which are then inseparable from what we would define as our being. When we hearken unto this oneness, thinking and being is seen as the same thing for lucid whole beings. I wouldn't describe most human beings in this manner, most are merely grasping mindlessly at what ever is within reach in order to gather a dung heap of objects and ideas which they hold but don't attend to in an authentic manner. If that seems vague I am sorry. I can add more clarity if it helps. I could break it down but a complete treatment would take a couple of books. I am assuming you have some background in philosophy and epistemology.