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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87228)	4/14/2012 1:43:18 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

"From what I understand the dispatcher told Zimmerman several times not to approach Martin, but to wait for the police.. It seems that this instruction was ignored. Some would call that escalation.." he told him once, zimmerman said ok. a moment later zimmerman told the dispatcher Trayvon had run away and was no longer in site. a this point no one knows what happened. Zimmerman said he went back to his car and trayvon came up behind him and said 'do you have a problem' zimerman said 'no' and trayvon said ' you do now' and punched him in the nose

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (87228)	4/14/2012 1:51:55 PM
From: joseffy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Comments -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josefly, I'm sitting in Jakarta, Indonesia, so it's possible that I'm missing quite a bit of the reporting on this case.. If the facts, as they are released and confirmed, are contrary to my understanding, I'll accept the Mea Culpa.. ;0) From what I understand the dispatcher told Zimmerman several times That is false not to approach Martin, but to wait for the police.. It seems that this instruction was ignored. That is false. The call has been available online for weeks now. You omit that she asked him for a specific street location which he had to walk to determine since there were no signs where he was. He WAS following her instructions to do that. The police will not come unless you give them a specific location. Some would call that escalation.. "Some" don't need facts. This is first I've heard about Zimmerman claiming to be looking for a street sign.Your info is incomplete and faulty. The call he made has been available online for weeks. You have obviously never heard it. At this moment, it would seem, all we have is the testimony of Zimmerman and any witness statements. If that's all you have you are lacking easily available info. I just want to see the facts released and stop having this situation inflamed by the race baiters, the media, and those with an agenda that doesn't involve obtaining the true facts. Sadly, I think the only two people who truly know what happened are Zimmerman and Martin, and one of them is dead. That means that it's going to be very difficult to prosecute Zimmerman and convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Here's one point that bothers me.. Did Zimmerman have to announce to the walking Martin that he represented the local neighborhood watch and then asked Martin what he was doing in the parking lot? NO.. He did not. And I don't yet see anything from witnesses or otherwise that suggest Zimmerman tried that approach.. I suggest you get more easily available info. The ultimate goal of neighborhood watch is deterrence, not confrontation and/or apprehension. A simple "Hey buddy!! I'm a neighborhood watch person and I don't recall seeing you around here before.. Could you tell me who you are and what your purpose is here?" would likely have gone a long way to altered the situation considerably.. Did Zimmerman do that while he was out looking for that sign? At such a point, Martin would either be in a "fight or flight" mode (given that Zimmerman didn't realize Martin was on the phone with his GF). It strikes me that it could have diffused the situation.. If Martin was up to no good, he would have ran like a rabbit to prevent being identified. But if he stated that he had legitimate business there, it could have gone to the next level of verification of that fact (calling his father or father's fiancee). A lot of IF's there. LOL Btw, I'm with you all the way when it comes to Jesse Jackson and the other race baiters. Utterly disgusting.. As for my opinion of Martin, I've not seen sufficient evidence to suggest he was a hard core "banger".. Maybe he wanted to be one.. maybe it was all bluff.. But I've no doubt he liked his wacky tobaccy, and got himself in a bit of trouble. I knew a lot of kids who did that when I was in school, and that was 30 years ago.. How many kids were tattooed all over their arms, had all gold lower front teeth, made gang signs, were suspended from school for hitting a bus driver, had Facebook accounts filled with gutter level trash comments? I appreciate any facts that you have to offer, and their sources, This info has been posted here repeatedly starting WEEKS ago. as I try to keep myself up to speed on this case (although not a high priority in my life at the moment.. ;0) Hawk