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To: koan who wrote (24754)	4/14/2012 4:06:52 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 69300

What an incredibly unscientific post: Establsihing life out of chemicals seems simple and something we are almost able to do now. Then it is just a matter of evolution to get it to our state of intelligence. I doubt you will be convinced but a book called quantum evolution written by a biology professor in England makes the point every time life on earth was wiped out it came right back. He feels life is created by quantum wave action which means lining up self replicating peptides is a piece of cake as quantum wave action is almost infinity times infinity. Wow!

To: koan who wrote (24754)	4/14/2012 5:00:28 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"One has only to wait: TIME itself performs the miracles " ...The important point is that since the origin of life belongs in the category of at least once phenomena, time is on its side. However improbable we regard this event, or any of the steps which it involves, given enough time it will almost certainly happen at-least-once. And for life as we know it, with its capacity for growth and reproduction, once may be enough. Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless here. Given so much time, the "impossible" becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. "One has only to wait: time itself performs the miracles " ~George Wald (1906 - 1997) Professor of Biology at Harvard University & Nobel Prize in Physiology / Medicine 1967 http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1967/wald-bio.html * Should be noted that in 1954 when Prof Wald wrote this they were only estimating the age of the Earth @ 2.5Bil yrs or so ...he was voted one of the top 6 professors in the US at the time and active in civil rights & anti war . And oh , the fundies just can't handle it they'd rather believe in magic breath theory & sitting on their hands pontificating , again .

To: koan who wrote (24754)	4/15/2012 1:06:14 AM
From: Greg or e	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

<<the "probability" of life and consciousness arising spontaneously from non life and non consciousness is as close to zero as you can get.>> "Why would that be?" For one thing, all known biological life consists of complex encoded information. There are no known random, undirected natural processes that can encode specific complex information. The only known cause for such a thing is conscious, intelligent, activity. For another thing, Consciousness is not physical and cannot be accounted for within a strictly Materialist philosophy.