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To: Greg or e who wrote (25126)4/18/2012 6:56:39 AM
From: Solon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
“All I'm asking you for is an in context quote”

No, you’re not! You’re squirming because you apparently have lived in a cave and "apparently" knew and know nothing about the agenda of the Christian Right to create a Christian United States!! Chuckle!! Dumb Ass!

"There was one voice of dissent among the candidates. Ron Paul, the libertarian congressman from Texas, argued that people should be allowed to make bad decisions, that freedom of choice in religious matters should extend to atheists, and that powers not reserved to the federal government should be left to the states. But in a field of candidates bent on legislating Christian morality and purging uncooperative judges, Paul stood alone. Protecting America is too important to let the Constitution get in the way."


Is the United States sliding toward theocracy?

That’s what Republican presidential candidates have told us for more than a year. Radical Islam, they’ve argued, is on the verge of taking over our country through Sharia law. But this weekend, at an Iowa forum sparsely covered by the press, the candidates made clear that they don’t mind theocracy—in fact, they’d like to impose it—as long as it’s Christian.

You can find video of Saturday’s “Thanksgiving Family Forum” on the Web sites of two organizations that sponsored it: CitizenLink and the Family Leader. Here are highlights of the candidates’ remarks.

1. Religious Americans must fight back against nonbelievers. To quote Herman Cain:

What we are seeing is a wider gap between people of faith and people of nonfaith. … Those of us that are people of faith and strong faith have allowed the nonfaith element to intimidate us into not fighting back. I believe we’ve been too passive. We have maybe pushed back, but as people of faith, we have not fought back.

2. The religious values we must fight for are Judeo-Christian. Rick Perry warned:

Somebody’s values are going to decide what the Congress votes on or what the president of the United States is going to deal with. And the question is: Whose values? And let me tell you, it needs to be our values—values and virtues that this country was based upon in Judeo-Christian founding fathers.

3. Our laws and our national identity are Judeo-Christian. Michele Bachmann explained:

American exceptionalism is grounded on the Judeo-Christian ethic, which is really based upon the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments were the foundation for our law. That’s what Blackstone said—the English jurist—and our founders looked to Blackstone for the foundation of our law. That’s our law.

4. No religion but Christianity will suffice.

Perry declared, “In every person’s heart, in every person’s soul, there is a hole that can only be filled by the Lord Jesus Christ.”

5. God created our government. Bachmann told the audience:

I have a biblical worldview. And I think, going back to the Declaration of Independence, the fact that it’s God who created us—if He created us, He created government. And the government is on His shoulders, as the book of Isaiah says.

6. U.S. law should follow God’s law. As Rick Santorum put it:

Unlike Islam, where the higher law and the civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws. But our civil laws have to comport with the higher law. … As long as abortion is legal—at least according to the Supreme Court—legal in this country, we will never have rest, because that law does not comport with God’s law.

7. Anything that’s immoral by religious standards should be outlawed. Santorum again:

God gave us rights, but He also gave us laws upon which to exercise those rights, and that’s what you ought to do. And, by the way, the law should comport—the laws of this country should comport with that moral vision. Why? Because the law is a teacher. If something is illegal in this country because it is immoral and it is wrong and it is harmful to society, saying that it is illegal and putting a law in place teaches. It’s not just—laws cannot be neutral. There is no neutral, Ron. There is only moral and immoral. And the law has to reflect what is right and good and just for our society.

8. The federal government should impose this morality on the states. Santorum once more:

The idea that the only things that the states are prevented from doing are only things specifically established in the Constitution is wrong. Our country is based on a moral enterprise. Gay marriage is wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said, the states do not have the right to do wrong. … As a president, I will get involved, because the states do not have the right to undermine the basic, fundamental values that hold this country together.

9. Congress should erase the judiciary’s power to review moral laws. Newt Gingrich suggested:

I am intrigued with something which Robby George at Princeton has come up with, which is an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, in which it says that Congress shall define personhood. That’s very clearly in the 14th Amendment. And part of what I would like to explore is whether or not you could get the Congress to pass a law which simply says: Personhood begins at conception. And therefore—and you could, in the same law, block the court and just say, ‘This will not be subject to review,’ which we have precedent for. You would therefore not have to have a constitutional amendment, because the Congress would have exercised its authority under the 14th Amendment to define life, and to therefore undo all of Roe vs. Wade, for the entire country, in one legislative action.

Gingrich said the same strategy could secure the Defense of Marriage Act, which bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and protects the right of states to disregard same-sex marriages performed in other states. In his words, “You could repass DOMA and make it not appealable to the court, period.”

10. Courts that get in the way should be abolished. Gingrich again:

The simplest first step which I would take is to propose—and I hope this will be a significant part of the campaign next year—I have proposed to abolish the court of Judge Biery in San Antonio, who on June 1 issued an order that said, not only could students not pray at their graduation, they couldn’t use the word benediction, the could not say the word prayer, they could not say the word God, they could not ask people to stand for a moment of silence, they couldn’t use the word invocation, and if he broke any of those, he would put their superintendent in jail. I regard that as such a ruthless anti-American statement that he should not be on the court, and I would move to literally abolish his court, so that he could go back to private practice, as a signal to the courts.

Biery’s order was an overreach. In fact, it was overturned two days later by an appeals court. But he’s only the first target of the anti-judicial purge. The next words after Gingrich’s threat came from Santorum, who said: “I agree with a lot of what has just been said here. I would go farther—one step farther, Newt. I would abolish the entire Ninth Circuit.”

11. The purge of judges should be based on public opinion. Gingrich once more:

Part of the purpose of singling out Judge Biery and eliminating his job is to communicate the standard that the two elected branches have the power and the authority to educate the judiciary when it deviates too far from the American people. And I think you would probably take that approach.

12. Freedom means obeying morality. Santorum concluded, “Our founders understood liberty is not what you want to do, but what you ought to do. That’s what liberty really is about.”

There was one voice of dissent among the candidates. Ron Paul, the libertarian congressman from Texas, argued that people should be allowed to make bad decisions, that freedom of choice in religious matters should extend to atheists, and that powers not reserved to the federal government should be left to the states. But in a field of candidates bent on legislating Christian morality and purging uncooperative judges, Paul stood alone. Protecting America is too important to let the Constitution get in the way.

slate.com



To: Greg or e who wrote (25126)4/18/2012 2:34:30 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 69300
 
Scientist muses whether Alberta Wildrose leader believes in flat Earth By: Bob Weber, The Canadian Press

Posted: 04/17/2012 12:05 PM | Comments: 22 (including replies) | Last Modified: 04/17/2012 3:53 PM


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Wildrose leader Danielle Smith makes a campaign stop in Calgary, Alta., Tuesday, April 17, 2012. Albertans go to the polls on April 23. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jeff McIntosh

EDMONTON, ALBERTA, CANADA, - One of Alberta's top researchers says remarks by Alberta Wildrose party Leader Danielle Smith on climate change suggest the province's political leaders need to brush up on their scientific literacy.

"I wonder if she thinks the flat Earth debate is settled?" asked University of Alberta ecologist David Schindler. "It's very discouraging in an era when sound policy requires scientific literacy in its leaders."

Smith said Monday in an online election forum that the science around climate change is not settled and the appropriate response from the Alberta government would be to monitor the debate. Her position has long been Wildrose policy.

Smith stood by those comments Tuesday.

"I have said for years the same things I said yesterday," she said in Calgary.

But scientists say while debate remains about how fast global warming will take place and what its consequences will be, there is no longer any real doubt that greenhouse gas emissions are the main cause of climate change.

"I get very frustrated," Schindler said.

"I spend a lot of time reading that stuff and there's a 97 per cent consensus. You do not get higher levels of consensus, ever. You'd probably get 98 per on the flat Earth."

Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria climatologist and one of the globe's top climate modellers, backed the view that climate change is no longer questioned.

"It's overwhelming. It's as overwhelming as gravity," Weaver said from Morocco, where he is helping draft the latest UN report on climate change.

"There are thousands of scientists working on this problem and if there was an Achilles heel to it they would find it."

A 2010 study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences surveyed 1,372 papers on climate and found at least 97 per cent of the most active climate researchers supported the standard model.

Schindler said the Wildrose — among other Alberta parties — has to start getting serious scientific advice.

"You've got to have people to rely on for advice who are not hacks. It's true of some of the other parties as well, most notably the PCs.

"For a party leader to say, 'Oh, we've got to procrastinate more until the science is settled is just disgusting. We have to expect more command of science in our leader than this, for crying out loud."

Progressive Conservative Leader and Premier Alison Redford said Tuesday she does believe the debate is over and it's time Alberta recognized its reputation is at stake.

"I believe the science has been settled. What the premier of Alberta needs to be talking about is that we understand what's going on on the international stage," she said.

Calgary political scientist Duane Bratt suggested Smith has little choice on the issue.

"Her statement reflects the views of Wildrose supporters — the people within the party, the people funding the party, not necessarily the people voting for the party. I'm talking about the candidates, the people closely associated with the campaign, their highest donors."

Wildrose has inherited from the old Ralph Klein Conservatives the sort of right-wingers most likely to question climate change, Bratt suggested.

"There were an awful lot of skeptics in that government. I think those people are the people who left for Wildrose."

Klein himself appeared to dismiss climate change in a 2002 speech when he said it was just as likely that "dinosaur farts' caused the Ice Age.

Smith repeated Tuesday that a Wildrose government would fight climate change by encouraging energy-efficient housing and research and development.

"We are monitoring the science and will continue to monitor the science — and in the meantime, we're going to actually do something about the issue."

NDP Leader Brian Mason said Albertans can forget about reining in greenhouse gas emissions if the Wildrose form government after Monday's election.

If Smith and her Wildrose party don't believe that human activity is causing global warming, she would be unlikely to impose sanctions on polluters, Mason said.

winnipegfreepress.com