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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/22/2012 5:15:17 PM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Respond to of 89467
 
Manufactured 'Science': Another IPCC Scientist Reveals How UN Scientists talked about 'trying to make IPCC report so dramatic that US would just have to sign Kyoto Protocol'
Tuesday, January 26, 2010By Marc MoranoClimate Depot

[Also see: Shock Revelation: UN scientist admits fake data was used in IPCC report 'purely to put political pressure on world leaders']

Alabama State Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, served as a UN IPCC lead author in 2001 for the 3rd assessment report and detailed how he personally witnessed UN scientists attempting to distort the science for political purposes.

"I was at the table with three Europeans, and we were having lunch. And they were talking about their role as lead authors. And they were talking about how they were trying to make the report so dramatic that the United States would just have to sign that Kyoto Protocol," Christy told CNN on May 2, 2007. - (For more on UN scientists turning on the UN years ago, see Climate Depot's full report here. )

Christy has since proposed major reforms and changes to the way the UN IPCC report is produced. Christy has rejected the UN approach that produces "a document designed for uniformity and consensus." Christy presented his views at a UN meeting in 2009. The IPCC needs "an alternative view section written by well-credentialed climate scientists is needed," Christy said. "If not, why not? What is there to fear? In a scientific area as uncertain as climate, the opinions of all are required," he added.

'The reception to my comments was especially cold'

[The following is excerpted from Andrew Revkin's January 26, 2009 New York Times blog Dot Earth. For full article go here.]

Excerpt: Last March, more than 100 past [UN IPCC] lead authors of report chapters met in Hawaii to chart next steps for the panel's inquiries. One presenter there was John R. Christy, a climatologist at the University of Alabama, Huntsville, who has focused on using satellites to chart global temperatures. He was a lead author of a section of the third climate report, in 2001, but is best known these days as a critic of the more heated warnings that climate is already unraveling under the buildup of heat-trapping gases.

At the Hawaii meeting, he gave a presentation proposing that future reports contain a section providing the views of credentialed scientists publishing in the peer-reviewed literature whose views on particular points differ from the consensus. He provided both his poster and summary of his three-minute talk. In an e-mail message to me, he described the reaction this way (L.A. is short for lead author; AR5 is shorthand for the next report, coming in 2013-14.):

Christy: “The reception to my comments was especially cold ... not one supporter, though a couple of scientists did say I had a “lot of guts” to stand up and say what I said before 140 L.A.s. I was (and still am) calling for the AR5 to be a more open scientific assessment in which those of us who are well-credentialed and have evidence for low climate sensitivity (observational and theoretical) be given room to explain this. We should have the same standards of review authority too. When a subject is excruciatingly complicated, like climate, we see that opinion, overstatement, and appeal-to-authority tend to reign as those of a like-mind essentially take control in their self-constructed echo-chamber. The world needs to see all sides of the evidence. We in the climate business need to understand humility, not pride, when looking at a million degrees-of-freedom problem. It's just fine to say, 'We don't know,' when that is the truth of the matter.”

I (Revkin) also asked Christy, “Do you see a way forward for this enterprise (presuming you see these recent issues as serious problems but not a fatal indictment)?”

Christy said: “I think people would read AR5 if it were a true scientific assessment, complete with controversies [described] by the experts themselves. Policymakers will find it uncomfortable, because the simple fact remains that our ignorance of the climate system is enormous. Otherwise, it will be a repeat of what we are now seeing (and what many folks like me knew years ago), that the process has morphed into an agenda-approving exercise.”

To view Christy's poster see here.

Christy's full written paper to UN IPCC.

Can the IPCC Allow a Section of Alternative Views Authored by Equally Credentialed Climate Scientists? - March 2009 - Presented to UN IPCC Scientists

By Dr. John R. Christy - University of Alabama in Huntsville

I want you all to understand this: No one is holding a gun to my head and no one is paying me money either above or under the table to arrive at the conclusions I (and others) have come to.

I propose that the IPCC allow for well credentialed climate scientists to craft a chapter on an alternative view presenting evidence for low climate sensitivity to greenhouse gases than has been the IPCC's recent message – all based on published information. In other words, I am proposing that the AR5 be a true Scientific Assessment, not a document designed for uniformity and consensus. In a scientific area as uncertain as climate, the opinions of all are required. Three quick examples are on the poster.

First, the iconic mean surface temperature is a poor proxy for detecting greenhouse gas influences for reasons shown. And, this metric is not well-observed in any case.

Secondly, many of the so-called metrics of human-induced climate change are not changing at rates policymakers have assumed and the media promotes with the indulgence of the IPCC Leadership. And, other variables showing change are still within the magnitudes of long-term natural variations.

Thirdly, confidence that the climate system is highly sensitive to greenhouse gases can been shown to be overstated due to assumptions about how the sensitivity is calculated. Latest measurements clearly suggest a strong negative feedback in the short wave – in other words, in warming episodes, clouds respond to cool the climate. Another problem with popular sensitivity estimates is the dependence on essentially one century of an oblique greenhouse-proxy (mean surface temperature) combined with the notion that all of the natural, multi-decadal variability can be defined so accurately that the left-over warming is assumed to be human-induced. The investigation rather should examine all levels of natural variability that have been observed and seek to defensibly eliminate those as possible causes.

An alternative view is necessary, one that is not censured for the so-called purpose of consensus. This will present to our policymakers an honest picture of scientific discourse and process. I submit this proposal because our level of ignorance of the climate system is still enormous and our policymakers need to know that. We have much work to do.



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/22/2012 5:16:04 PM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Respond to of 89467
 
"not the rapid pace of climate change we are seeing clearly in the data today."

what rapid pace ? the temps have gone down over the last 15 years



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/22/2012 5:25:22 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
I think the problem with the right wing, is more problematic than changing their minds. They literally do not have enough information to change their minds. What would they change their ideas to, as they cannot see the answers in their minds eye.

It is like having the answers written in Chinese and all one can read is English. These answers are written in science and general knowledge.

Science actually has a term for this problem. It is called knowledge Directed Perception i.e. one cannot see what one does not understand.

You can tell they sort of sense this, as they are very defensive, and all they know how to do is lash out.



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 12:26:30 AM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 89467
 



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 12:31:37 AM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 89467
 



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 9:58:42 AM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
 
The Obama Administration's 15+ Scandalous "Achievements"








Sometimes I think my conservative compatriots go a bit too far. They say that the three-year-old Obama administration is totally void of achievement. That is total nonsense; in three short years Barack Obama has increased the national debt by $5 trillion dollars, that's more than George Bush did in eight years and almost as much as every president from Washington-Clinton combined.

I don't want to give you the impression that Obama's only achievement was the record increase in debt, but the man who promised change Washington D.C. can also count some scandals among his achievements. Here are just some of his achievements:
  • The GSA and Secret Service scandals neither of which should be blamed on Obama directly, both of which show his poor management of the federal government.
Interestingly the President has taken a wait and see attitude on the secret service scandal:
"I expect that investigation to be thorough and I expect it to be rigorous. If it turns out that some of the allegations that have been made in the press are confirmed, then of course I'll be angry." Which is rather confusing for the man who said the Cambridge police acted stupidly, and injected race into the Trayvon Martin case before the allegations in the press were confirmed.

It started out as 15 different achievements but thanks to reader feedback we are up to 19 successes of the Obama Administration (and I am sure there's lots more). Granted they are all scandals, but no one should ever say the administration has achieved nothing.

If you have scandals I missed please leave a comment or tweet me @yidwithlid and I will add to the list.



To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 10:53:57 AM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Twitter lynch mob: George Zimmerman is out on bail? Let’s kill him!
Posted at 7:16 am on April 23, 2012 by Twitchy Staff | View Comments


Taylor @UBlow_TaNashia
Ima kill zimmerman myself *loads semi* where he at


23 Apr 12




George Zimmerman was released on $150,000 bail late Sunday night in what the Associated Press called a “ low-key event.” Threats of death from the Twitter lynch mob were anything but low-key.




Jawan's Girlfriend @WhatItDo_BooBoo [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=WhatItDo_BooBoo&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
" @xSimplyAniya: I think imma personally kill George Zimmerman ..anyone's welcome to join (:" Leggggoooo !


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  • Nay Nay @HeLoves_SexcNay [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=HeLoves_SexcNay&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    I WOULD KILL DA SHYT OUTTA DAT ZIMMERMAN DUDE IF I SAW HIS ASSS BOAAAAA


    23 Apr 12
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  • Trizzy T. Montana @TrizzyTroof_CA [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=TrizzyTroof_CA&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    I would kill George Zimmerman


    23 Apr 12
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  • Chatia @Mslips88 [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=Mslips88&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    someone pass me a gun, imma go follow zimmerman, shoot and kill him and say #imstandingmyground


    23 Apr 12
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  • Yes Its ZAIN @YesitsZain [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=YesitsZain&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    Lets kill #zimmerman


    23 Apr 12
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  • Louis Davis Jr @HeartBreakJay_ [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=HeartBreakJay_&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    They done let Zimmerman free lets kill that MF


    23 Apr 12
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  • WillFolarinMawana? @RealWillMawana [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=RealWillMawana&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    George Zimmerman Released From Jail 150,000 Bail! WTF! Nigga You Are About To Die, Start Writing Your Will! Justices Has Not Been Served?


    23 Apr 12
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  • Others hoped someone else would take out Zimmerman so they wouldn’t have to dirty their hands.




    ?????? ???? @GuccJermaine [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=GuccJermaine&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    Kill that mexican muther fucker george zimmerman #WhiteTrash


    23 Apr 12
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  • The Associated Press ? @AP 23 Apr 12
    BREAKING: George Zimmerman released from Florida jail on $150,000 bond in #Trayvon Martin shooting case -JM



    ian moses @DaItalianBeast [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=DaItalianBeast&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    @AP Kill george zimmerman


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  • Ralph Cola @RalphMDCXLV [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=RalphMDCXLV&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    TF!!! Zimmerman was freed on bail? Kill that man


    23 Apr 12
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  • Jordan Irving @jordyfxs [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=jordyfxs&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    They let this nigga Zimmerman out of jail?! Somebody kill this dude already!


    23 Apr 12
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  • Jai Marie @DiaryOf_A_Doll [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=DiaryOf_A_Doll&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    So I just found out that they released zimmerman dumb ass out of fuckin jail I hope somebody get that nigga! That bitch deserve to die smfh!


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  • One genius called for the mob to murder Zimmerman because she thinks charges just disappear when someone makes bail.




    Ms.Lovely @Stallionnett101 [iframe class="twt-follow-button" allowtransparency="true" src="http://platform.twitter.com/widgets/follow_button.html?align=right&button=grey&screen_name=Stallionnett101&show_count=false&show_screen_name=false&lang=en" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"][/iframe]
    Once u been convicted of a crime & let out on bail u can't be charged 2x for the same thing so that means sum1 gonna have to kill Zimmerman


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  • Zimmerman’s location is being kept secret as he awaits trial for the second-degree murder of Trayvon Martin.

    Previously on Twitchy:

    Twitter lynch mob predicts riot if Zimmerman is acquitted

    Twitter lynch mob: Won’t it be great when Zimmerman gets raped in prison?

    Countless death threats against Zimmerman, man not proven guilty



    To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 11:17:46 AM
    From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
     
    The Case of CA’s Missing Republicans

    4M more people have left CA than have moved in from other states. As this article says, probably none of the 4M were homeless guys watching porn for free in CA libraries . Also none of the 4M were EBT card users, government employees, folks with medical marijuana prescriptions, etc.


    Charlie Mahtesian over at Polico has a mystery - how did the GOP in California fade into irrelevance?:

    According to the latest figures from the Secretary of State's office, Democratic registration is 43.5% to 30.3% for Republicans.

    The GOP actually has a majority of voters in 30 of California's 58 counties. But that number is misleading. If you look at the list of the 10 counties with the highest percentage of Democrats, they tend to be some of the more populous in the state – places like Alameda (Oakland) Los Angeles (LA), Contra Costa (Bay area), and San Mateo (Bay area) counties.

    The 10 counties with the highest percentage of Republicans tend to be among the least populous counties, all of them located inland.

    Wow - over a 13 point Democrat advantage in registration. How can this be when California is the state that gave us Reagan and Nixon both won two terms and carried the state each time? What has happened to cause the incredible turn around? Have the former GOPer's of the state finally seen the error of their ways and gone over to the dark side?

    Well to answer this I put on my deerstalker hat and found an article by The Wall Street Journal's Allysia Finley who interviewed Joel Kotkin a leading U.S. demographer. In the article Mr. Kotkin makes the case that over the past 20 years the Democratic Party has done nothing short of running anybody who is productive out of the state:

    Now, however, the Golden State's fastest-growing entity is government and its biggest product is red tape. The first thing that comes to many American minds when you mention California isn't Hollywood or tanned girls on a beach, but Greece. Many progressives in California take that as a compliment since Greeks are ostensibly happier. But as Mr. Kotkin notes, Californians are increasingly pursuing happiness elsewhere.

    And when Mr. Kotkin talks about red tape he means it. For example, look at the state's current cap-and-trade law AB32 will raise the cost of energy and drive out even more manufacturing jobs without making even a dent in global carbon emissions. Meanwhile California's electricity prices are already 50% higher than the national average. Golly, if I had a manufacturing company that relied on electricity to produce my product I might look elsewhere if I were looking to relocate.

    But just how bad is the net population loss problem for California? I mean we are talking about CALIFORNIA here, the land of milk and honey for crying out loud, how bad could it be? Mr. Kotkin again:

    Nearly four million more people have left the Golden State in the last two decades than have come from other states. This is a sharp reversal from the 1980s, when 100,000 more Americans were settling in California each year than were leaving. According to Mr. Kotkin, most of those leaving are between the ages of 5 and 14 or 34 to 45. In other words, young families.

    Of those 4 million that have left the state! - I'm just asking here, how many do you think were the homeless folks watching porn for free in a San Francisco Library? I'm gonna go with exactly zero. My guess is that the people leaving are those gosh-darn productive folks who are being punished with draconian regulations and taxes (10.3% top rate for millionaires and 9.3% top rate for those who earn over $48,000). More from Kotkin:

    And Democrats want to raise taxes even more. Mind you, the November ballot initiative that Mr. Brown is spearheading would primarily hit those whom Democrats call "millionaires" (i.e., people who make more than $250,000 a year). Some Republicans have warned that it will cause a millionaire march out of the state.

    That said, "It's really going to hit the small business owners and the young family that's trying to accumulate enough to raise a family, maybe send their kids to private school. It'll kick them in the teeth."

    Well at least the GOP's loss isn't to conversion but rather flight. According to the United States Census Bureau Texas, Arizona, Washington and Arizona are the top destinations for Republicans Californians leaving the state. All of which coincidentally are much more business friendly. And I for one do not think it is a coincidence that both Republican numbers and the general population are decreasing in the Golden State.
    derek-alexander.blogspot.com



    To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87515)4/23/2012 11:46:45 AM
    From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
     
    Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case (I guess Sharpton will be showing up any day now to protest this hate crime and Obama will come out and say if I had a white son he would look like the guy who was beat up)



    myfoxchicago.com

    excerpt:

    Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.

    Hayes and a 15-year-old Chicago boy walked up behind the 19-year-old man victim and pinned his arms to his side, police said. Hayes, 18, then picked up a large tree branch, pointed it at the man and said, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”

    The two allegedly rifled through the victim’s pockets, then threw him to the ground and punched him “numerous times” in the head and back before running away, police said. Hayes and the boy are black; the victim is white.

    After being arrested, Hayes told police he was upset by the Trayvon Martin case and beat the man up because he was white, Cook County State’s Attorney’s office spokeswoman Tandra Simonton said, citing court records.

    Martin, 17, was fatally shot Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who was charged April 11 with second-degree murder. Zimmerman is Hispanic, while Martin was black.

    Hayes, 18 of the 1200 block of North Woodbine Avenue in Oak Park, was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies, Oak Park police Detective Cmdr. Ladon Reynolds said.

    Hayes was ordered held on $80,000 bond and remained in the Cook County Jail on Friday. He will next appear in court May 11. The boy was referred to juvenile court.