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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87877)	5/3/2012 10:04:43 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Social justice is what our founders were looking for. It was? Can you document that? What they sought was individual freedom from oppression (and to evade taxation without representation). They believed that every individual have an equal right to "the pursuit of happiness", not possessing it. IF they had sought "social justice", they would have made every man and woman equal under the law, and all slaves would have been freed.. And btw, the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't even adopted until 1942. Also, it's author was a "Christian Socialist", as well as a Baptist Minister: en.wikipedia.org Btw, I'm all for a bit of "social justice" as well, such as helping people to help themselves, providing opportunity, not dependency. But let's not blatantly lie about the intentions of the founders of this country. They set a framework in the constitution, that we have amended and tweaked over time to adjust the errors and omissions of the original. Hawk

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87877)	5/3/2012 10:13:16 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 89467

The fathers wanted legal justice, not social justice. They didn't like the way the courts worked in England, they didn't have a problem with different classes based on money. Work harder would have been their motto not give me a dollar

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87877)

5/3/2012 10:15:38 AM

From: longnshort

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Reagan 'tear down this wall'

Obama "I don't care if you beat to death that blind Chinese guy and his wife'

Chen Guangcheng Ignored by Hillary Clinton
8:05 AM, May 3, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

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Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese dissident who briefly took refuge in the U.S. embassy, recently expressed his hope that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would rescue him. "My fervent hope is that it would be possible for me and my family to leave for the U.S. on Hillary Clinton’s plane," Chen told the Daily Beast.

But that doesn't seem likely: Clinton, who is in China now, completely ignored Chen in her remarks as part of the so-called U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. She did not mention him once.

Clinton briefly mentioned human rights, however, but merely in a vague, passive way.

"Now of course, as part of our dialogue, the United States raises the importance of human rights and fundamental freedoms because we believe that all governments do have to answer to citizens’ aspirations for dignity and the rule of law, and that no nation can or should deny those rights," Clinton said, without bringing up specific cases where the Chinese government violated the rights of its citizens. "As President Obama said this week, a China that protects the rights of all its citizens will be a stronger and more prosperous nation, and of course, a stronger partner on behalf of our common goals."

The meetings go on, so perhaps there is hope still for Chen.

Here are Clinton's full remarks:

RemarksHillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State Diaoyutai Villa 17
Beijing, China
May 3, 2012

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87877)	5/3/2012 10:18:45 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Reagan 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! ' Obama 'I don't care if you beat to death the blind Chinese guy and his wife' Chen Guangcheng Ignored by Hillary Clinton 8:05 AM, May 3, 2012 • Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese dissident who briefly took refuge in the U.S. embassy, recently expressed his hope that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would rescue him. "My fervent hope is that it would be possible for me and my family to leave for the U.S. on Hillary Clinton’s plane," Chen told the Daily Beast. But that doesn't seem likely: Clinton, who is in China now, completely ignored Chen in her remarks as part of the so-called U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. She did not mention him once. Clinton briefly mentioned human rights, however, but merely in a vague, passive way. "Now of course, as part of our dialogue, the United States raises the importance of human rights and fundamental freedoms because we believe that all governments do have to answer to citizens’ aspirations for dignity and the rule of law, and that no nation can or should deny those rights," Clinton said, without bringing up specific cases where the Chinese government violated the rights of its citizens. "As President Obama said this week, a China that protects the rights of all its citizens will be a stronger and more prosperous nation, and of course, a stronger partner on behalf of our common goals." The meetings go on, so perhaps there is hope still for Chen. Here are Clinton's full remarks: RemarksHillary Rodham Clinton Secretary of State Diaoyutai Villa 17 Beijing, China May 3, 2012

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87877)	5/3/2012 10:26:34 AM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 89467

'For Trayvon' rallies black-on-white attacks (this is Obama's social justice, it's not justice for all) But author says feds won't investigate because of 'hostility' to rights for everyone By Michael Thompson Thursday, May 03, 2012 wnd.com As the media-fueled Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman firestorm rages, a number of black-on-white assaults have been reported in which the assailants have declared “justice for Trayvon” prompted the attack. But according to former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, don’t expect to see Attorney General Eric Holder rush to open an investigation. “There’s a hostility [in the Department of Justice] toward even conceiving civil rights protect everybody,” Adams told WND in an exclusive interview. “People in the Department of Justice are philosophically opposed to this. You are watching it play out in Mobile, with Matthew Owens.” Adams, the author of “Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department,” referred to the story of Owens, a white resident of Mobile, Ala., who allegedly was bludgeoned by 20 blacks who used pipes, paint cans and chairs in the April 21 assault. WKRG-TV in Mobile reported that one of the alleged attackers stated, “Now that’s justice for Trayvon” as they left Owens beaten on the ground. He has been in ICU since attack. On April 20, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that two black teenagers in Oak Park, Ill., attacked a 19-year-old because “he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case that he beat up a man because he was white.” “If the races were reversed, you’d see Attorney General Holder holding a national press conference. In the eyes of the DOJ, it’s some people, not everybody [who] civil rights laws protect. Whites excluded,” said Adams. The Gainesville Sun reported that on April 9, a 27-year-old white male was attacked by “five to eight” black males who shouted “Trayvon” before attacking him and leaving him with “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.” And Fox News reported April 5 that a 78-year-old white citizen of Toledo, Ohio, was the victim of a group assault, with the attackers allegedly yelling, “This is for Trayvon.” Just yesterday, a newspaper reported in Virginia that “wave after wave of young men surged forward to take turns punching and kicking their victim,” an employee of the newspaper. It was the Virginia-Pilot that said its reporters Dave Forster and Marjon Rostami were attacked when they drove home from a show and stopped at a red light, two weeks ago. Estimates were that 100 teens attacked, and on Twitter, a reference to the violence was accompanied by the words “do it for trayvon martin.” The report only came out at this time because a columnist wrote about the attack and the victims missed work time, due to their injuries from the mob. Adams is a five-year veteran of the Department of Justice. He was a key attorney in pursuing the New Black Panther voter intimidation case, which he deemed “the simplest and most obvious violation of federal law” he ever saw in his career. He resigned from the DOJ in June of 2010 after the case was ordered dismissed by his superiors. When asked what will happen if the Department of Justice refuses to step in and prosecute racially motivated attacks, Adams said, “If Eric Holder and the DOJ don’t do something about it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course it’s going to get worse. They are enabling lawless conduct and abandoning law-abiding citizens. That’s what they’ve been doing since they were sworn in. “They turned a blind eye to the thugs,” he said. In Adams estimation – and his book “Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department” offers compelling evidence to support his view – Mark Kappelhoff is against pursuing civil rights violations when they apply to certain groups of people. Adams said Kappelhoff, the chief of the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, “doesn’t think civil rights laws should be used in this fashion [to protect whites].” Kappelhoff supervises and manages DOJ attorneys involved in the investigation and prosecution of federal criminal civil rights violations, which include bias-motivated hate crimes. Adams, who is now a practicing attorney in the Washington, D.C., area, said of the Eric Holder-run Department of Justice, “It’s like gangsters got a greenlight.”